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Re: What do we do with truth?
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2013, 02:35:58 PM »

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It was said in one of the posts that we cannot know the truth, but what does that make of Jesus saying "You will know the truth"?
In my opinion, the only way we can know if we are in the truth or not, is if we measure our actions against scripture. I guess that`s why we even have scripture at all, so that we may know God`s will for our lives. Jesus says "You will know them by their fruits" I guess that applies to all of us. If we want to know if we stand in the truth or not, I think we must measure our actions by what God has personally asked each and everyone of us to do. Remember that Jesus said...
And the Lord said, ?Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time?  Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.  Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions.  But if that servant says to himself, ?My master is delayed in coming,? and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk,  the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful.  And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating.  But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more. Luke 12:42
So from that verse, I think we can know that the truth is knowable (Apart from he/she who deosn`t know/heard of, the word of God-which is what the verse is referring to) And that those who claim the name "Christian" should know it. We can ALL know the truth, on any level, for the most intelligent to the most simple, because the word of God is not based on intellect, but on a simplicity that I child can discern. I think the trouble lies in when we are rebellious children, I think that our true sight gets compromised when we wallow in sin, and truth becomes a very difficult thing to see, where in fact it is easy to see. Since truth in reality is indeed very simple...
At that time Jesus declared, "I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; Mt 11:25
I think sometimes we over complicate matters with deep theology and philosophical arguments (Which I myself am guilty of) when the simple truth is knowable to simple children, which is most pleasing to the Lord.

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Re: What do we do with truth?
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2013, 02:43:25 PM »
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I think sometimes we over complicate matters with deep theology and philosophical arguments (Which I myself am guilty of) when the simple truth is knowable to simple children, which is most pleasing to the Lord.

I think this too, and no doubt guilty of too.  I see less walking the Word, than talking the Word, as a general rule. 

So ultimately, 'what do we do with truth'.....apply it to our lives.

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Re: What do we do with truth?
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2013, 04:45:51 PM »
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It was said in one of the posts that we cannot know the truth, but what does that make of Jesus saying "You will know the truth"?

Who will know it and when?

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In my opinion, the only way we can know if we are in the truth or not, is if we measure our actions against scripture.

Even in this measurement against scripture we must be led by the Holy Spirit. Anyone can read the Bible, but not everyone immediately understands all that he reads. Remember the Ethiopean eunuch who asked Philip to help him?

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I guess that`s why we even have scripture at all, so that we may know God`s will for our lives.

Not every believer has had easy, or even any, access to the scriptures. We are especially blessed because we do, but as a result more is expected of us than from those who do not. The scriptures are full of God?s abundance for us, but without eyes to see and ears to hear, who is able to receive what He has for them?

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Jesus says "You will know them by their fruits" I guess that applies to all of us.

 If we want to know if we stand in the truth or not, I think we must measure our actions by what God has personally asked each and everyone of us to do.

Every believer in Jesus stands in a measure of truth, but are we not to be growing? The ?old? going down while the ?new? is going up?

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Remember that Jesus said...
And the Lord said, ?Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time?  Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.  Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions.  But if that servant says to himself, ?My master is delayed in coming,? and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk,  the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful.  And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating.  But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more. Luke 12:42

Remember also that there are sins of ignorance as well as intentional sins. What is considered intentional is directly dependent on what we know, is it not?

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So from that verse, I think we can know that the truth is knowable (Apart from he/she who deosn`t know/heard of, the word of God-which is what the verse is referring to) And that those who claim the name "Christian" should know it.

Yes, certainly truth is knowable, but how many have consumed already the entire loaf? Is there no difference between one who is still on milk and one who already eating meat? Are there no intermediate places? Does God not know exactly where each of us is and according judge us?
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We can ALL know the truth, on any level, for the most intelligent to the most simple, because the word of God is not based on intellect, but on a simplicity that I child can discern.

Actually natural children usually are able to do better with God more quickly because they haven?t yet consumed so much garbage that needs to be cleared away.

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I think the trouble lies in when we are rebellious children, I think that our true sight gets compromised when we wallow in sin, and truth becomes a very difficult thing to see, where in fact it is easy to see. Since truth in reality is indeed very simple...
At that time Jesus declared, "I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; Mt 11:25

When you speak of wallowing in sin, you are relating directly to immersing ourselves in the garbage that we are consuming instead of the flesh and blood of Jesus we are consuming. If we partake more of the latter than the former, will we not then grow closer to God and find ourselves less often yielding to temptations?

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I think sometimes we over complicate matters with deep theology and philosophical arguments (Which I myself am guilty of) when the simple truth is knowable to simple children, which is most pleasing to the Lord.

So simple for the simple children of God yet so complex for the complex sons of men.  How can we ever be sons of God it we continue to enjoy the things of the flesh as much or more than the things of God? Does this ?enjoyment? not include even out apparent ?understanding of scripture?, which too often we allow to swell up our heads?

May God help us all to be more like Him and less like us!



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Re: What do we do with truth?
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2018, 12:03:58 AM »
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Every believer in Jesus stands in a measure of truth, but are we not to be growing? The ?old? going down while the ?new? is going up?

True - I was reminded of an old dream recently "I was walking up a hill and coming eye to eye with people walking down it"

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