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Offline Primrose

Re: Does satan always need permission ?
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2016, 05:14:04 PM »

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In my post I was trying to make some points that very often in churches, people are assumed to be attacked by satan because of some sort of infiltration. When it could be, because they are close to God, and are doing His work, in some form, whether its known or unknown. As the disciples did and were persecuted.

I do believe there is a lot of sifting out of the old nature and renewing the spirit. As was expressed " outwardly we are decaying but inwardly we are being renewed." Transforming from one glory to another glory.
Then it is a complicated combination.
The two Corinthians passages were as an encouragement. They were in an extreme case of suffering. Yet they demonstrated the life of Jesus in them, which sustained their joy and hope of eternity.
It showed that no matter how bad things are , there are eternal blessings and preservations, as long as the work is in  Christ and through Him.
The disciples were downtrodden in the world but will be raised to life, in glory.
They were viewed as poor, foolish and lowly.  Yet they are rich, wise and noble in Christ.

"The one who finds his life will lose it, and the one who loses his life because of me  will find it." Jesus said. Matthew 10:39

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Offline Primrose

Re: Does satan always need permission ?
« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2016, 09:43:55 AM »
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It could therefore also be argued that these attacks/tests/trials/judgements/siftings are not just applied to God's people

what do you make of that ? @Primrose and Guest
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Yes agree. Seen it. God does change people and they get to a place of  make or break. They change for better or worse, accordingly to their acceptance or rejection of Him. Trials and testings within that.
I think though people are transformed so much more powerfully when born again. They are in His hands to be moulded.

Offline francis drake

Re: Does satan always need permission ?
« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2016, 12:27:40 PM »
Yes agree. Seen it. God does change people and they get to a place of  make or break. They change for better or worse, accordingly to their acceptance or rejection of Him. Trials and testings within that.
I think though people are transformed so much more powerfully when born again. They are in His hands to be moulded.

Hehheh, lets see how that works out in real life Primrose!

Judges3

1Now these are the nations which the LORD left, to test Israel by them, even as many of Israel as had not known all the wars of Canaan;
2Only that the generations of the children of Israel might know, to teach them war, at least those who before knew nothing thereof;
3Namely, five lords of the Philistines, and all the Canaanites, and the Sidonians, and the Hivites that dwelt in mount Lebanon, from mount Baalhermon unto the entrance of Hamath.
4And they were to test Israel by them, to know whether they would hearken unto the commandments of the LORD, which he commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses.


Unfortunately, the Israelites were stupid just like the average christian. They thought that by assimilating with their enemies, they would be safe and have a better life.....

5And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites:
6And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods.


Despite all the warnings, God had to put them in special measures.

7And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgot the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the idol poles.
8Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushanrishathaim eight years.


Yup, I think you hit the nail on the head Primrose.
And of course, we serve the same God as did the Israelites.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Does satan always need permission ?
« Reply #59 on: May 21, 2016, 02:39:39 AM »
mm so how do they differ from us ?

Offline francis drake

Re: Does satan always need permission ?
« Reply #60 on: May 21, 2016, 10:20:37 AM »
mm so how do they differ from us ?

There is essentially no difference.

1Cor10v13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Whether we are OT or NT people, believer or unbelievers, the same things happen, and we are faced with the same choices, and we carry the same responsibilities.

And in all that, God never changes.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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