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Giving without worldly reward
« on: July 22, 2013, 02:01:17 PM »

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Re: Giving without worldly reward
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 10:36:23 PM »
It all depends on ones reasons for giving
      An athiest has no   reason for being generous, life is a resault of chance, has no meaning, or purpose,  so why give to those unable to support themselfs.

The Christian has both a moral and a reason for being charitable, but there is no reward in giving we give because like God we love.


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Serenity

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Re: Giving without worldly reward
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 10:44:05 PM »
Faith without works is dead, i would also say the opposite is true....works without faith is dead.

I do not say this to condemn an athiest, its moreso for a christian to examine their own motives and 'drive' in what they say and do.

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Re: Giving without worldly reward
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2013, 12:56:52 AM »


Quote John

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but there is no reward in giving we give because like God we lov
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so whats this about then ?

Luke 6:38

Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

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Re: Giving without worldly reward
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2013, 11:40:25 AM »
Hi Alien,
              The context of that verse is judgement or judging others, so if we are harsh in our judgements of others and don't show mercy w can only expect the same.

The basic principal of 'prosperity gospal preachers' is if you give to God ( via me ) God will give to you.
While its true that God does not remain indebted to anuman he does not give us prosperity just because we've put eads of cash in the offering.
Gods intension is always to do the most good for us. But the most good is a closer relationship with God, not riches or a sun tan etc.


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Re: Giving without worldly reward
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2013, 12:04:32 PM »
Hi Alien,
              The context of that verse is judgement or judging others, so if we are harsh in our judgements of others and don't show mercy w can only expect the same.

The basic principal of 'prosperity gospal preachers' is if you give to God ( via me ) God will give to you.
While its true that God does not remain indebted to anuman he does not give us prosperity just because we've put eads of cash in the offering.
Gods intension is always to do the most good for us. But the most good is a closer relationship with God, not riches or a sun tan etc.


                                                                John

Yes so in effect God gives mercy to those who show mercy, given back in equal measures

I remember somewhere back in my distant past, that verse being used about giving where "the more you give of yourself the more God will provide you with the ability and strength to give more, but it was in the context of "the Holy Spirit"

I suppose the difference between the "world giving" and the "Christian giving" or the "heart" giving is based on "how and to who to and why"

that draws my mind to Matthew 5:7 and The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant
in Matthew 18:21-35

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Re: Giving without worldly reward
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2016, 03:37:18 AM »
But is it always givern back to us as we deserve >?

No = if it was then none of us woukd stand.




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Re: Giving without worldly reward
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2016, 08:07:08 AM »
I would go along with that. If we are seeking to serve God and arem't trusting in our ability, God does help us, not always as we expect.
"I suppose the difference between the "world giving" and the "Christian giving" or the "heart" giving is based on "how and to who to and why""
We look at things from our view point, when we should be seeking to understand God's view point.
i.e. he wants us to be closer to him, not self important despots.

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