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Fear
« on: July 14, 2013, 03:06:41 PM »

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"In the dark recesses of the mind, a disease known as FEAR feasts upon the souls of those who cannot overcome its power..."


Pat McHale


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Many of us are familiar with the stories of "David and Goliath" and "Jesus walking on water" in the Bible. These stories are examples of men having faith to step out of their comfort zone.

o David, to stand before a giant Philistine, said to be 9-foot tall, and battle him to the death for the sake of Israel.
o Peter, to step out of the boat in the storm and walk on the water toward Jesus, who was walking on the water toward him.
o Despite all the doubts and voices telling them they wouldn't succeed, both men had listened to God's voice, or the "Voice of Truth", and believed in Him.

We prepare for things throughout our life...

Many of us save for retirement. But, we know that WE must take the initiative to save for retirement ourselves.

The question is...what type of saving have we done in our spiritual lives? We save for our short number of "retired years"...but how are we investing in our eternity and the eternity of our loved ones?

Jesus tells us in Matthew 17:20: "...Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.""

Have you ever seen the size of a mustard seed? It is tiny...

Throughout scripture Jesus demonstrates the power of our faith with various miracles.
o People clamored just to touch the clothes of Jesus to be healed and upon being healed Jesus tells them, "Your faith has healed you."
o God asks us to invest just a tiny bit of faith, the size of a mustard seed, to allow Him to bless us as daughters and sons with the inheritance of His Kingdom.

But to invest a tiny bit of faith requires us to come out of our comfort zone...not quite sure how God will use us and what changes we will need to make to follow His will...and afraid of what others may think. Here are some examples:
o Bible study? I don't know much about the Bible and I'll stick out like a sore thumb with the people there.
o Going to church on Sunday is enough for me. I don't want to get "too religious" and have people make fun of me.
o I'm so busy...I don't have time to take on anything else...I'm already juggling with work, school, family, and kid activities.

In the Bible, both Peter and David show examples of what faith in God can do.
o Although Peter was afraid, he walked toward Jesus on the water...and needed Jesus to save him when his faith wavered.
o Although faced against seemingly impossible odds, David stood before the giant Goliath...who struck fear in even the most trained warrior...with just a sling and a stone.

Our faith investment can start small, whether committing to talk with God more in prayer, to read a book in the Bible, or attending a Bible study or other class at church to learn more about the Faith.

Will we listen to the "Voice of Truth" and invest a tiny bit of faith to overcome our fears and reservations...to allow God to grow that investment...to allow us to "move mountains"?

From the person who uploaded the video to youtube.

1 John 4:18

18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.


2 Timothy 1:7

7 For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline.

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Alien-R

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Re: Fear
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 12:53:36 PM »
Just to extend this post



So mnay things are begun in this age but not finished

I was thinking about how many things are begun , but then seen as "not profitable"

whether it be unprofitable   in money terms or in investment of time and energy or in emotional terms

In this "I can begin to take on the worldly attitude" or lets say "the yeast of the world" being conformed to the "worlds way of looking at things" Romans 12:2

So if something is seen as unprofitable in the short term [as in years] I can put it down as "tried it...did'nt work"

We see this short nose concept all the time in goverment and banking and we can if not careful take on this attitude without thinking

So I invest my faith in a short term goal and when it does'nt work I say "Tried that...got the teashirt"

Fear of failure


Many might say "you need more faith" as if I can pick it off a tree

But more often than not I have walked in "blind faith"

Into the complete unknown and is that not what faith is ?

Faith is walking into the "unkown" Hebrews 11:1 KJV

"Yes ...fear of the unknown" can Paralyze "faith"

What banker would  invest in something they cannot see ?

How foolish

How once I have step[ped out into this "darkness" can I see my way ahead ?

On the day I was married to my lovely wife I seemed to have many verses given to me about "Light" and one which stuck in my mind was Psalm 119:105

So once I had stepped out of that boat in faith , it was'nt faith I needed but the Light to show me where to walk in the darkness [different parable/metaphor]

It was'nt more faith I needed at these times but more "Light" and who is my Light ?

Fear of the "Unkown"



The fear of man


Another thought which aligns alongside this was

The fear of man  Matthew 10:28

And to open this topic up ...."A question"

"How do I know the differecne between

1. "The fear of man"

2. "The fear of God"






Efengylwr71

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Re: Fear
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 02:04:43 PM »
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The fear of man

Another thought which aligns alongside this was

The fear of man  Matthew 10:28

And to open this topic up ...."A question"

"How do I know the differecne between

1. "The fear of man"

2. "The fear of God"
Good post Alien.
To answer the question, maybe we need to ascertain what is the fear of man? And what is the fear of God? Then we can know the difference between the two.

Alien-R

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Re: Fear
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2013, 02:55:50 PM »
Would it be the "fear" that becomes bigger than God ? and becomes god

Proverbs 29:25

John 12:42

Genesis 26:7

Deuteronomy 1:17

1 Samuel 15:24

Alien-R

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Re: Fear
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2013, 02:51:39 AM »
Quote Alien-R
Good post Alien.
To answer the question, maybe we need to ascertain what is the fear of man? And what is the fear of God? Then we can know the difference between the two.


Do you think the key might be knowing what the fear of God is ?

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Re: Fear
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2013, 02:49:06 PM »
Following are but a few of the many verses regarding the "fear of the Lord" in scripture:

"Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD." Ps 34:11

"Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;

If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;

Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding." Prov 2:3-6

"The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb." Ps 19:9-10

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever." Ps 111:10

"The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate." Prob 8:13

"The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death." Prov 14:27

"The fear of the LORD prolongeth days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened." Prov 10:27

"Better is little with the fear of the LORD than great treasure and trouble therewith." Prov 15:16

"By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil." Prov 16:6

"Let not thine heart envy sinners: but be thou in the fear of the LORD all the day long." Prov 23:17

For anyone wishing to pursue this further also look into verses containing the "terror of the Lord".


Efengylwr71

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Re: Fear
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2013, 06:20:51 PM »
Yes Amadeus, there are plenty of verses on the fear of the lord to feast upon. But how might we define the fear of the lord? What might we liken it to. I certainly don`t think it is a terror based fear, unless someone is living an unrepentant life, for which there would be much needed terrifying fear because the consequences of impenitence are severe. But for a penitent and humble believer, I would liken the fear of the lord to people working in a nuclear power station. Now the workers aren`t walking around in conscious fear or terror, but are extremely mindful of the regulations, since they are working with such an immense power, and if they are negligent of the regulations they risk the power station blowing up and killing them all. And that`s how I see the fear of the lord, he is an immense power, and if you don`t follow his rules, the consequence of breaking them is severe indeed (even though Jesus has paid the price of breaking his rules) But I seriously don`t think that the fear of the lord is a dread or terror based fear, for how can you have a loving relationship with someone you`re terrified of. No, that kind of fear leads to resentment and there is absolutely no trust in such a relationship, and would eventually lead you into resenting and eventually hating that which you fear so intensely. And so since our salvation is based on a child like faith and trust in someone we deem as our father, the fear that the bible speaks about cannot be that of dread and terror, but a healthy respect of one so powerful, just like the workers in the power station. As for the fear of man, everyone and everyone fears those who have the power to hurt and kill you, or imprison you and take away you rights, and there is only one way out of it, trust in the lord, and total trust at that. For if men threaten you with death and you believe with all your heart that you are going to your God and his eternal kingdom, and will be happy forever, then any power that men have over you through the threat of death is utterly diminished. The fear of God (a healthy respect) the fear of man (totally unnecessary)

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Re: Fear
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2013, 12:23:22 AM »
Yes, Efengylwr71, there is fear of man and there is fear of God... how and when do fear God?

In the Book of Daniel the soldiers who threw the three Hebrews into the fiery furnace should have been shown fear before the "consuming fire", which God is. They were not afraid and they were consumed. The Hebrews were properly fearful:

"If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.

But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up." Dan 3:17-18

"And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them." Dan 3:27

We need to fear God as those three Hebrews feared Him.

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