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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2013, 01:30:25 PM »

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Likewise You have people in this world who spend their lifes helping others and laying down their lifes, their entire lifes are committed to others and they die as "good people"

So in this you might say that "they are taking up their cross" or "bearing a load"


they unsaved might "lay down their lifes for a cause"

the unsaved might "continue to daily to deny themselves"

so whats the difference between those people and the Christian ?

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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2013, 03:41:23 AM »
Likewise You have people in this world who spend their lifes helping others and laying down their lifes, their entire lifes are committed to others and they die as "good people"
So in this you might say that "they are taking up their cross" or "bearing a load"
they unsaved might "lay down their lifes for a cause"
the unsaved might "continue to daily to deny themselves"
so whats the difference between those people and the Christian ?
Firstly, I doubt it very much that the unsaved would even attempt to live a life of denial. I mean, why? why would they deny themselves of worldly pleasures if they think that this life is all there is? That doesn`t make sense. Unless of course you are on about people who deem themselves to be Christian, and so live a certain amount of self denial, but are weeds or chaff, that I might understand to a point. But I think that even that type doesn`t truly live a life of self denial, they may appear to do so to others, but privately may indulge in worldly pleasures. But if you are on about the difference between worldly people who believe not in God, and Christians, then the difference is faith. The Christian does what he does out of his faith in God, where as a man/woman of the world will either do it for themselves, someone else (loved one and so forth) Or a soldier may give his life for his country, or a man may lay down his life for a political cause or motive. All of which are in vain if they are not done in faith, because a man/woman may lay down their life for someone they love, which on the surface seems an admirable thing to do, which the world would certainly recognize and probably honour such a person. But would they do it for someone that does not love them, or someone who despises them, or whom they may despise. For example, a man would probably, on seeing a child on the middle of the road that was going to be hit by a car, would jump in front of the car to save that child, and many a person would do that. But what if that person that was going to be hit by the car was Ian Huntley, or Liam Brady or a pedophile or some such person? I personally think that the majority of the "good folk" of this world would let the car hit them, and then say good riddance to bad rubbish, to put it lightly. And there`s the difference. Christ loves all, even the worst of sinners, and died for all of them, no matter who they are or what they have done. And he asks the Christian "The true Christian" to do the same. This is, as I have pointed out, virtually impossible (for most people would wish such people dead) without faith in Christ, for without faith in Christ, grace does not enter the human heart, and to think like the divine is impossible. On a natural level people tend to always love those who love them, or those they deem innocent. Jesus points this out in
?If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. Lk 6:32. And so there it is, and there is the difference. Only faith in Christ helps "Any of us" to transcend our human nature, for only through faith comes grace. And so the shallow, but seemingly heroic love of the world is exposed. For the way I think of it is, even a lioness will fight to defend her cubs from an attack from another pride of lions, this I`ve seen many times. So the heroic selfless acts we see the world perform (although good in a sense) are usually on a natural level, or based on the depth of feeling or affection they might have for somebody. But when it comes to the transgressor and the criminal, we quickly see that changing. And so the difference is Christ, and the faith we have in him.

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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2015, 02:48:12 PM »
So maybe we are to live with what we see as 'our cross', stop moaning about it and get on with it.

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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2015, 03:12:52 PM »
So maybe we are to live with what we see as 'our cross', stop moaning about it and get on with it.

What, are you telling me I can't have a good vent every so often?  :D

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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2015, 03:16:32 PM »
Nah vent by all means, I do!  ;)

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