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Alien-R

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Crucified yet take up my Cross
« on: June 27, 2013, 09:42:42 PM »

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Here I am crucified Galatians 2:20

So why am I to take up my Cross daily ? Luke 9:23 NIV

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Efengylwr71

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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2013, 05:04:07 PM »
Don`t they mean the same thing in a way?

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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2013, 05:38:59 PM »
To walk the walk, to run the race as to win, to let go of self and take on more of Christ..

Its far too easy in this world to look to the left or to the right of that path, and get distracted with what the world throws at us, to return to norm of relying on self and not of God, of forgetting that Christ is even within at times...

I think this taking up of the cross daily, is to help in keeping focus and trying to look to the will of God rather than your own, ie the worldly way of things.

Alien-R

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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2013, 01:51:24 AM »
Well the first to me is about the initial "born again" where Jesus Christ died and was resurrected to life, in this we die and are resurrected and the old man dies, in this the work that is done is done by Jesus

the second is the ongoing salvation......... the "daily" as in Lukes gospel  dieing to self, even though we are crucified yet we are to lay down our lifes thereafter, as persecutions and trials and tribultions occur so we have to "take up the Cross" in order to follow

I suppose it relates to the topic where we discussed "born again " and "salvation" and the difference

the first instance being "I HAVE been Crucified" past tense

whereas "take up your Cross" is here and now or future

Galatians 2:20 being through Christ

Luke 9:23  being through us

though Crucified to Christ by Christ, I must also crucify [ongoing]

Ascend the hill ....even though Jesus has already


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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2013, 12:31:32 AM »
You are not truly crucified until you bear the cross.
One day I will be home

Alien-R

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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2013, 02:04:52 AM »
so that in fact would put these two verses ..Galatians 2:20  Luke 9:23   as one.

both meaning the same thing

yet

Galatians 2:20  says I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

I HAVE been crucified

yet the second scripture is about the afflictions, trials, and persecutions thereafter, in which we are to take up our Cross Luke 9:23 daily

what you are saying clark thompson is that  in fact "I am not crucified with Christ until I bear the Cross daily

So I would indeed within this concept be "under afflictions, trials, and persecutions"  before my "born again state"

I suppose the "Old man" could be crucified over and over each time I take up my Cross

that reminds me Hebrews 6:6

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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2013, 09:00:19 AM »
Why do we need to stay at the cross? 

Jesus was crucified, but didnt stay at the cross.  Have often heard the phrase we are 'living in Jesus resurrection' or even ascension, how do you do that if daily bearing the cross?

Alien-R

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Re: Crucified yet take up my Cross
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2013, 11:58:43 AM »
I was considering yesterday how words can be changed over time and how generations view a word

"Sad" used to mean "I am sad" or heart broken...

Now it can mean or be used in the sense of "He is a sad person"...as in "a sad case"
which has quite a different meaning "as one who should be pitied"

The word "gay" began life as "happy", but now it means [in this country]  "one who has a relationship with the same sex"

these mega  changes in meanings of words can cause the ending of the use of a word and derail its original intend

The word "Crucified" used to mean "death" a horrible torturous death, but to the Christian ..this metaphor .. can mean mean anything from "victory" overcoming, death of the old man, baptism etc ect

So lets view Galatians 2:20



CONTEXT

Galatians 2:20

Paul Confronts Peter

?19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live to God. 20I am crucified with  Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the  flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21I do  not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Cross references


Romans 6:3, 6, "Are ye ignorant, that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?" - "that our old man was crucified with him?" It was by believing in Christ and being baptized into him; comp. Galatians 3:27, "All ye who were baptized into Christ did put on Christ "

For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?? Luke 9:24-25

Romans 5:6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.

Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners,  Christ died for us.

Romans 14:7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone.


Romans 6:6  but the new man is living; sin is mortified, and grace is quickened.



To me taking up the Cross daily is not about crucifixion and a slow death

to some it may mean "O this is the Cross I have to carry ...as they walk around with gritted teeth and hung low shoulders and miserable expressions"

But the original intent of this metaphor / picture / in Luke 9:23  is to express how one lays down something to folow Jesus [ lets use 2 Corinthians 9:7 in this instance to raise a point here]

So in my haste to follow Jesus I lay down other things to win the race Hebrews 12:1 using another example slightly out of context 1 Corinthians 9:27



So to me Luke 9:23  and the "daily taking up of the Cross is somewhat like the rich young ruler analogy eg:

Mark 10:17-27

One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.

So in this example Luke 9:23 comes before Galatians 2:20

But the walk is an ongoing walk and this would usually be used to say "put down anything that hinders" or "lay down your own wants and needs"



to end I,ll share a picture I had yesterday and in this little picture

"A person was running towards God and throwing away and discarding anything and everything and anyone that got in his way and as he ran he was looking on one person and on one thing...to do that which the person was telling him"

So being Crufified with Christ is not literal crucifixion but a metaphor to lay down your life to follow Jesus and being baptised into Him eg : dieing to the old and being alive to the new

But to me "taking up your Cross daily " is the continuation of "the walk"

to "lay continue to lay down "


Why do we need to stay at the cross? 

Jesus was crucified, but didnt stay at the cross.  Have often heard the phrase we are 'living in Jesus resurrection' or even ascension, how do you do that if daily bearing the cross?

Well some would say that we are "seated at the right hand of God now" in a spiritual sense, all of these are just terms used

but in the end anyone who truely follows Jesus and has been "saved" will have to lay down daily in prder to continue to follow Jesus





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