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Efengylwr71

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Paul writes in Hebrews.
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Hebrews 9:22.
Although I know that sin is a matter of great gravity to God, why does he demand the shedding of blood to atone for sins?



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Re: Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2013, 01:58:56 AM »
In fact,  there is no life with out the sacrifice of another life. Be it a plant or an animal, the circle of life feeds each other. Fathers economy is a blood economy. That makes us humans squeamish.

Alien-R

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Re: Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2013, 02:19:17 AM »
We often speak of those such as Moses and elijah ...Job and Abraham being saved

So were these people saved but not forgiven ? can you be saved without being forgiven

Afteral Jesus had not yet shed His blood, yet these were made "righteous"

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Re: Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2013, 06:09:30 PM »
We often speak of those such as Moses and elijah ...Job and Abraham being saved

So were these people saved but not forgiven ? can you be saved without being forgiven

Afteral Jesus had not yet shed His blood, yet these were made "righteous"
Different dispensations. People tend to only look at the rules side of the "Law", and forget about the "Sacrifice" side. Once you've paid your debt to society, you're good. Better to keep those "Debts" to a minimum as they are much easier to pay that way...............
Now those before the law, were expected to follow the good in their conscience.

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Re: Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2013, 11:03:29 PM »
Efengylwr71.

You ask,

why does he demand the shedding of blood to atone for sins?

Perhaps the following will help to put your question into perspective.

Hbr 10:4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 
Hbr 10:5 Consequently, when Christ [fn] came into the world, he said, "Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; 
Hbr 10:6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. 
Hbr 10:7 Then I said, 'Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.'" 
Hbr 10:8 When he said above, "You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the law), 
Hbr 10:9 then he added, "Behold, I have come to do your will." He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 
Hbr 10:10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Bless you.

Edwin.



Offline francis drake

Re: Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2013, 11:08:08 PM »
Paul writes in Hebrews.
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Hebrews 9:22.
Although I know that sin is a matter of great gravity to God, why does he demand the shedding of blood to atone for sins?


Adam was warned that if he chose the Tree of Knowledge, ie. to rule the planet by his own knowledge, in independence from God, then he would die.

If you check the Hebrew, you will see that the warning from God has a double death indicated. The translated warning, as found in some bibles should read more like, ''in dying thou shalt die''. ie. Choosing the Tree of Knowledge of Good or Evil, as against the Tree of Life would result in two deaths. Spiritual death, and physical death.

The promised death had an instant result. Adam's light was totally extinguished. In a flash, he was now without God in this world, but that had been his choice, he thought that he could be like God, the fount of all decisions.
Adam was now spiritually dead, and separated from God, the result of his freewill choice.

God, (Jesus) is now walking in the garden seeking Adam. Adam is clearly terrified, having just experienced the horror of spiritual death, knowing the warning, physical death cannot be far behind. The sound of Jesus calling him sends cold sickening fear running through his veins.
For his part, Jesus knowing in advance what Adam would do, walks armed with a sharp blade ready and prepared to administer that judgment.
Jesus rebukes Adam for his rejection of God. Then Jesus turns around and slits the throat of a gentle and harmless lamb. He cruelly rips the skin off the still trembling corpse and puts the bloody mess over the shoulders of Adam.

Satan had orchestrated Adam's downfall, thinking that he would usurp Adam's dominion over the planet. He had not considered God's foreknowledge.
Adam had made the choice to let his own intellect be master, rather than eat the Tree of Life, and be fed in his spirit. In slaughtering the lamb, Jesus made it clear that there was a price to pay, but that it was a price Jesus was willing to pay for fellowship with mankind.
The choice was not reversed, just paid for. From that moment, man's intellect would fight for supremacy against man's spirit. Only those willing to die to self would hear the voice of the Spirit. Few would walk the narrow road to life. Far more would choose the broad road to destruction.
The prophetic lamb was thus slain from the foundation of the earth. The real lamb would take his place many thousands of years later.

It was the legal covenant of blood that was demonstrated in the garden that broke the power of Satan over Adam. Legally, at that point Adam did die. This is demonstrated with Cain and Abel. The latter was willing to offer blood, as undoubtedly told by his father. Cain refused, and that made him a target of Satan. ie. "Sin crouches at the door". When challenged by God, it is as if Cain says, "you want blood, I'll give you blood". He then kills his brother.

Christians misunderstand when Paul tells us that the blood of bulls and goats didn't deal with sin. That's true, but neither does red wine and broken bread. Both actions OT and NT represent Jesus shedding his blood, and that blood most certainly separates us from our sin.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2013, 01:09:52 AM »
Yes the bible always relates forgiveness of sins with blood shed accept with Chrsit forgiving people during His life whoever He knew He would be shedding His blood for their sins which He forgave.
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Alien-R

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Re: Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2013, 02:06:35 AM »
So the blood must have been shed before Jesus actually died for those who had gone before or Jesus went to deliver those who had  died after His resurrection

If Abraham was made righteous or [right with God] there must have been a sacrifice made existing out of our time

In other words the actual shedding of Christs blood was at a "certain time"

Yet the righteous being saved ahead of time

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