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Offline Jesus4me

Re: One Baptism
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2015, 11:45:24 AM »

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I would have to say that the baptism of the holy spirit is the most significant, since it is through the holy spirit we are made a new creation. Although there is significance to the others, they are mainly symbolic, or outward symbols of what should be an inner transformation. However, we may receive the outward symbols of baptism without actually being transformed within. But with the baptism of the holy spirit we are automatically transformed inwardly, for it is God himself entering the heart of a believer, and making him/her a new creation in the inner being. A good example of this may be
Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being,
and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart. Psalm 51:6
This correlates with
Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me. Psalm 51:11

So it`s a heart to heart relationship that God desires, and this happens when the holy spirit dwells in the inner being, or your heart. There is no way that this baptism can ever be merely symbolic, or a pretense of Christianity, for many can be baptized with water and claim Christianity, whilst not being Christian. But not so with the "Personal" baptism of the holy spirit, for this very act is transformative inwardly, and cannot be a pretense. This is why Jesus says
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Jn 3:5
So although we must have water baptism, it means nothing unless accompanied by the spirit, for we cannot enter heaven with out the spirit transforming us into the image of Christ, and this happens through spiritual baptism.
And I would add that the "Baptism of fire" is the same as baptism of the holy spirit, for the fire the verse refers to is the holy spirit, which was evident at Pentecost.



It's the rebirth, "The Spirit baptising us into the body of Christ", 1 Cor 12: 13, that makes us a new creature in Christ.
The baptism in the Holy Ghost will certainly help us develop more into the new creature.
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Re: One Baptism
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2015, 11:49:18 AM »
Baptism was not a new invention of John the Baptist.
 Luke11v37 And as he spoke, a certain Pharisee invited him to dine with him, and he went in and sat down to eat.
v38 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marveled that he had not first washed before dinner.
The word ''washed'' here in the original greek is ''baptisthe'' from which elsewhere we get Baptize.

The pharisees baptized/ immersed themselves at every excuse in order to make themselves clean. That is why Jesus told them that they made the outside of the cup clean whilst the inside is full of extortion and wickedness.
Jesus was such a polite and reserved dinner guest.


There is a difference between washing your hands, [Having them immersed into water], and your whole body immersed in water baptism.
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Offline Jesus4me

Re: One Baptism
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2015, 11:54:22 AM »
So baptists did'nt invent  baptism ?   :o



Ok so we have a verse like

Mark 16:16 

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

this can be read as saying :

"He who believes and is not baptised is not saved ....."

or "you are condemned until baptised"

as you are not saved until you believe and are baptised....as the "saved" comes after the former

So I wonder what "believe" means here ?


The Greek emphasis for, "Saved", in Mk 16: 16, Is on the, "Believeth", Not on baptised.
The Greek emphasis for, "Remission of sins", in Acts 2: 38, is on "Repent", Not baptised.
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Re: One Baptism
« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2015, 01:33:53 PM »
Yeah - do you think we could be baptized before being literally baptized ?

Or baptized without having a bath ?

Offline Jesus4me

Re: One Baptism
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2015, 02:32:39 PM »
Yeah - do you think we could be baptized before being literally baptized ?

Or baptized without having a bath ?


Baptism, Or baptised, Means Immersion, or immersed. And when one is baptised into the body of Christ, [1 Cor 12: 13], They are immersed into Christ, meaning we are "IN Christ". members of His body, One with Him.

When one is baptised in the Holy Ghost, we are immersed deeper Into the Holy Ghost.

The Bible says we are baptised [Into the body of Christ], before water baptism.
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Offline davetaff

Re: One Baptism
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2015, 02:47:00 PM »
Hi
When Israel passed through the red sea and the Jordan these where forms of baptism but they did not get wet in the same way when we accept the word of God which I believe is the true water of baptism then we can have the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
I don't believe sprinkling water on a baby's head or having a full immersion baptism is of little value but immersion in the word of God is of great value it leads to eternal life.

Love and Peace
Dave     

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