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Alien-R

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One Baptism
« on: June 07, 2013, 01:17:14 AM »

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There is only One baptism in Ephesians 4:5 which can be said to be the "born again baptism or new birth"

Yet there are many as in

Baptism into Christ  Romans 6:1-4

Baptism in the Holy Spirit   Acts 1:8

Baptism of Suffering  Matthew 20:20-23

Baptism into Moses the passing through the sea   1 Corinthians 10:1-5

Baptism in Fire Matthew 3:11

Baptism of John, baptism of repentance  Acts 19:3-5

Baptised into death   Romans 6:3-5

What baptisms are of the most importance ?




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Re: One Baptism
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2013, 01:52:09 AM »
I would have to say that the baptism of the holy spirit is the most significant, since it is through the holy spirit we are made a new creation. Although there is significance to the others, they are mainly symbolic, or outward symbols of what should be an inner transformation. However, we may receive the outward symbols of baptism without actually being transformed within. But with the baptism of the holy spirit we are automatically transformed inwardly, for it is God himself entering the heart of a believer, and making him/her a new creation in the inner being. A good example of this may be
Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being,
and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart. Psalm 51:6
This correlates with
Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me. Psalm 51:11

So it`s a heart to heart relationship that God desires, and this happens when the holy spirit dwells in the inner being, or your heart. There is no way that this baptism can ever be merely symbolic, or a pretense of Christianity, for many can be baptized with water and claim Christianity, whilst not being Christian. But not so with the "Personal" baptism of the holy spirit, for this very act is transformative inwardly, and cannot be a pretense. This is why Jesus says
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Jn 3:5
So although we must have water baptism, it means nothing unless accompanied by the spirit, for we cannot enter heaven with out the spirit transforming us into the image of Christ, and this happens through spiritual baptism.
And I would add that the "Baptism of fire" is the same as baptism of the holy spirit, for the fire the verse refers to is the holy spirit, which was evident at Pentecost.

thelowlyfisherman

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Re: One Baptism
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 03:44:13 PM »
Baptism into Christ is salvation.
Baptism into the Holy Spirit is Godly wisdom.

1 Timothy 2
1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Efengylwr71

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Re: One Baptism
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 07:28:55 PM »
Baptism into Christ is salvation.
Baptism into the Holy Spirit is Godly wisdom.
1 Timothy 2
1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
I`m sorry, but I fail to see what that verse has to do with baptism.

thelowlyfisherman

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Re: One Baptism
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 08:50:04 PM »
I`m sorry, but I fail to see what that verse has to do with baptism.
Baptism into Christ is salvation.
Baptism into the Holy Spirit is Godly wisdom.

4 who desires all men to be (1)saved and to (2)come to the knowledge of the truth.

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Re: One Baptism
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2013, 06:46:26 PM »
A-R: I think your list has variant ways of saying the same thing, and covers 4 types of baptism (immersion).  Conversion (Mt.3/Rm.6), Spirit-baptism (Ac.1), suffering (Mt.20), Sinaitic dedication (Ac.19/1 Cor.10).  Conversion is the chief; Spirit-baptism a great addition available to all; suffering the terribly blessed lot of some callings; Sinai's redundant.  I take Eph.4 to refer to conversion, which was often publicly expressed by a water ceremony of allegiance, and perhaps still should be.

Offline francis drake

Re: One Baptism
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2013, 10:41:26 PM »
There is only One baptism in Ephesians 4:5 which can be said to be the "born again baptism or new birth"

Yet there are many as in

Baptism into Christ  Romans 6:1-4

Baptism in the Holy Spirit   Acts 1:8

Baptism of Suffering  Matthew 20:20-23

Baptism into Moses the passing through the sea   1 Corinthians 10:1-5

Baptism in Fire Matthew 3:11

Baptism of John, baptism of repentance  Acts 19:3-5

Baptised into death   Romans 6:3-5

What baptisms are of the most importance ?

Baptism was not a new invention of John the Baptist.
 Luke11v37 And as he spoke, a certain Pharisee invited him to dine with him, and he went in and sat down to eat.
v38 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marveled that he had not first washed before dinner.
The word ''washed'' here in the original greek is ''baptisthe'' from which elsewhere we get Baptize.

The pharisees baptized/ immersed themselves at every excuse in order to make themselves clean. That is why Jesus told them that they made the outside of the cup clean whilst the inside is full of extortion and wickedness.
Jesus was such a polite and reserved dinner guest.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Alien-R

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Re: One Baptism
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2013, 11:39:35 PM »
Baptism was not a new invention of John the Baptist.
 Luke11v37 And as he spoke, a certain Pharisee invited him to dine with him, and he went in and sat down to eat.
v38 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marveled that he had not first washed before dinner.
The word ''washed'' here in the original greek is ''baptisthe'' from which elsewhere we get Baptize.

The pharisees baptized/ immersed themselves at every excuse in order to make themselves clean. That is why Jesus told them that they made the outside of the cup clean whilst the inside is full of extortion and wickedness.
Jesus was such a polite and reserved dinner guest.

Mark 7:3 

(The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing,
 holding to the tradition of the elders


ahh  clean hands and a pure heart  :D



Do you think thats the same as baptizo ? which is to "submerge" or "immerse "



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