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What is Blasphemy ?
« on: June 02, 2013, 12:20:26 AM »

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Efengylwr71

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Re: What is Blasphemy ?
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2013, 01:56:19 AM »
The negation of mercy in all it`s forms.

Serenity

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Re: What is Blasphemy ?
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2013, 10:16:01 AM »
My understanding of blasphemy, is attributing something you KNOW is of the Holy Spirit to satan.  So something you know is the work of God, ie the works of Jesus, to satan, saying His empowerment is not from God.

Efengylwr71

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Re: What is Blasphemy ?
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2013, 09:58:31 PM »
My understanding of blasphemy, is attributing something you KNOW is of the Holy Spirit to satan.  So something you know is the work of God, ie the works of Jesus, to satan, saying His empowerment is not from God.
Do you make that claim from the gospel of Mark
"Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin" for they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit." Mk 3:28
So it seems that if you believe that the son of God is evil, then you blaspheme the holy spirit. So therefore you negate mercy, because if you think he`s evil, you are hardly going to turn to him for forgiveness are you? It is the same thing if you refuse to believe in him, so thinking he doesn`t exists is as bad as thinking he is evil, and the result is the same, the negation of mercy. And the same could be said for someone not believing that God will forgive them, because they think their sin is so bad that God could not forgive it, and so despair of mercy, again, negating God`s mercy. Or if someone is impenitent or isn`t sorry for what they have done, then how can God forgive someone who won`t repent of what they have done, again, the negation of mercy. Or if you categorically refuse to forgive someone who has sinned against you.
"But if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses" Mt 6:15
 So again we see the soul negating God`s mercy. So I don`t think it is one particular thing that constitutes blasphemy against the holy spirit. There are many ways of doing it, and the fact that the gospel of Mark says what it says is but one example of blasphemy against the holy spirit. And note, the other gospels don`t mention the same thing that the gospel of Mark does about blasphemy against the holy spirit, although they do mention blasphemy against the holy spirit.
So in short that`s why I said "The negation of mercy in all it`s forms" because it would seem to me that there is more than one way of doing it.

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Re: What is Blasphemy ?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2013, 12:30:44 PM »
My understanding of blasphemy, is attributing something you KNOW is of the Holy Spirit to satan.  So something you know is the work of God, ie the works of Jesus, to satan, saying His empowerment is not from God.

That is the common interpretation, but I believe that it goes much deeper. The view you describe can leave a christian worried that he has possibly "committed the unforgivable sin". He lives in fear that something he may say or think could make his heavenly father want to cast him out. He has no revelation of what Sonship means!

As a born again son, you cannot possibly lose your eternal place with God by blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. You have already passed from death into eternal life. Once you are born again by the seed of the Holy Spirit impregnating you, (Yes impregnating you!) you cannot possibly become unborn, anymore than you can cease to be a child of your earthly parents. It is in your blood! If eternal life can be lost, then it cannot be eternal!

The prodigal son chose to distance himself from his father, but no matter what, he was still a son and never ceased to be a son! The older son remained in proximity, but never claimed his true place as a son either!

How does anyone ever get born again in the first place?
From the moment of conception, the Holy Spirit works on our human spirit, drawing us close, wooing us with love. This is not about words or intellect. It is about God the Holy Spirit knocking on our heart with his massive love on offer, and a desire to make us his sons.
God desires to sow seeds of his life in our heart, and  as I said, this can happen at any time from conception onwards.

My wife is a classic example of this. Born to a non christian family with no spiritual input or religious instruction, at the age of 3 she had various heavenly experiences. Like Paul she was drawn out of her body and went up into the heavenly realm on numerous occasions and saw the angelic host, Jesus, the heavenly city with its walls and gates of precious jewels, plus many other things.
She told her mother about what she saw, but it was treated as childish imagination so she gradually ceased mentioning it, and the adventures stopped. Then in her late teens she was given a bible which she read from cover to cover. She saw all the descriptions of heaven and realised that it was describing the place she had already been to. She then started to really seek and grow in Christ with understanding.
However, she had clearly been born again as a baby or toddler, and not when she joined a church as a late teen and was made to pray the sinner's prayer.

I also was born into a non christian family. As a child, I met the Spirit of the Lord in my bedroom and was deeply taken by God's overwhelming love. I responded by asking God to never forget me. He didn't.
I never heard the gospel story properly or read a bible, till I was in my mid 20s, but I know from various other God given revelations in between those times that I was born again as a child when I responded to the Holy Spirit.

Eternal life is the work of the Holy Spirit on our human spirit, not the work of evangelism or accumulating biblical knowledge. Evangelism is about making disciples of the saints, even though the two may overlap or be confused.

When the Holy Spirit starts to woo us, and continues to do so throughout our lives, there can never be any excuse for rejection because it is spirit to spirit, not intellect. There is no possibility of not knowing. If it were intellect, it would require education to understand and the ignorant and the young would be excluded. Scripture says the opposite is true.

We have no excuse because the Holy Spirit penetrates deep within to our inner man to the core of our being, He speaks to our human spirit with a message which cannot possibly be misunderstood. The message is Love, love, love love, love, love unending love.
To close our heart to this love is inexcusable and for that reason alone it is blasphemy. We are rejecting life and opting for an existence of complete separation from God. We will have no excuse when the time comes to stand before God.
We all have that choice, in every nation, creed, and culture, whether or not we have access to a bible, or missionary, or gospel.

There are various characters of the bible who are described as being called from the womb. I do not believe that this is just a notification from God that they were selected from the time they were conceived. If it was a question of mere preselection, God would have declared it was done it from before the foundation of the earth!
The term, "from the mother's womb" means that the Holy Spirit, knowing the end from the beginning, spoke to their spirit in the womb, and ordained them on account of their reception of the new birth of the spirit. They would grow up into their calling.

For some of us it happens later, or very much later, or extremely close to the mark before death!

I would challenge the many people who can remember the date they prayed the "sinner's prayer", that they may well have been born again for years, even decades, prior to that point. In praying the sinners prayer they were committing to walk with the Lord as a real son, even though their sonship had been true in God's eyes for many years.

Blasphemy is ultimately and simply the rejection of the seed of life from the Spirit of the Lord.
Matt12v31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

The reason that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, in this age or the next, is because he is rejecting the offer of life from the giver of life. He is rejecting the second birth of Jn3. He will therefore not be a child of God. By clearly informed choice he will be isolated from God's love and life.

None of this is about becoming a Christian as we know it! He may not have, and may never hear that message. It took my wife and I separately about 15 years before either of us heard the gospel.

I would contend that apart from Judas the disciples were all born again before Jesus called them. Nathaniel is a good example.
The words of Jesus in Jn1v47 are clear. "........Behold an Israelite in whom is no guile." How can Nathaniel have no guile? Only if he is a born again son of God, otherwise he would be as the Pharisees who would, according to Jesus, die in their sin.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

TJ

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Re: What is Blasphemy ?
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2015, 11:59:23 AM »
type of irony here

We already add to the "Word" by extending it in our own life's  Revelation 22:18

You might suggest "we are all cursed"  - if you take certain scriptures literally as in Galatians 2:20;

So we are cursed :  Old  = Deuteronomy 21:23; - to New = Galatians 3:13;

Being types of "son" it could be said that "people can blaspheme against us"


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