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Re: Was Jesus always God ?
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2013, 03:17:55 PM »

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Was reading through some scripture today, and the following had me think of this thread.  Least it shows im paying attention!  knit:


Isaiah9:6

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


So here we have the Son being called Father too? cant say i have particularly noticed this before.  Or maybe i have gotten it wrong and 'misinterpreted' it or it needs more 'context', but on the face of it, seems to be saying the Son is the Father here, for me anyways.

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Re: Was Jesus always God ?
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2013, 02:54:58 AM »
Was reading through some scripture today, and the following had me think of this thread.  Least it shows im paying attention!  knit:


Isaiah9:6

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


So here we have the Son being called Father too? cant say i have particularly noticed this before.  Or maybe i have gotten it wrong and 'misinterpreted' it or it needs more 'context', but on the face of it, seems to be saying the Son is the Father here, for me anyways.

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For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.[/b]

have you noticed it reads "the government   will  be on his shoulders"  ...... future tense

"and he will be called"

Even though He was and is and is to come

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Re: Was Jesus always God ?
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2013, 01:16:57 AM »
Alien-R.
You say,
So rather than being three persons in one God they are the same person with three titles "The Godhead"

The NT clearly reveals They are different Personages
because Jesus was always praying to the Father in heaven.

But, who was praying ... fully man, or fully God (the Word/Logos), or both?

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Re: Was Jesus always God ?
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2013, 01:45:01 AM »
The NT clearly reveals They are different Personages
because Jesus was always praying to the Father in heaven.

But, who was praying ... fully man, or fully God (the Word/Logos), or both?

Yes its amazing is'nt it ? hopw the Holy Spirit can speak to and through a person to God !

Here He speaks through Jesus to God...yet this is the Godhead !

Whereas the Holy Spirit now speaks through us , as in

Romans 8:26

Likewise the Spirit also helps our weakness: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought but
 the Spirit himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.


Yet the Holy Spirit is God


mysteryalizereX

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Re: Was Jesus always God ?
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2013, 04:26:32 PM »
I truly love the Courage of the Christians here at this Forum..

We Can Choose to believe the Bible..
                   ..............  Or We can believe Roman Catholics.

R E M E M B E R..... and  Understand.... 

God  Speaks to Himself  /  God  Refers to himself as  WE, and US, Plural.   God Prays to Himself, God even WORSHIPS  HIMSELF.  Which we will see in heaven. According to the Book of Revelation...

REMEMBER.  Joh 17:5  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

..........jESUS Claimed to eXist with the Father ./....  Before The CREATION....

DONT Let Catholics  ...  DECEIVE You.../....REMEMBER.  jESUS Christ, is the CREATOR

jESUS eXisted,   ...   before the Word was Created.

Remember....... God Walked and Talked ...  in the Garden,  with Adam and Eve.   And  God Visited Abraham and sat and Ate supper    )(  AS A MAN....
 
REMEMBER, the  Roman Catholic Father /  Tertullian 200 AD. ~~~ IS THE EARLIEST SOURCE for which the word  " TRINITY~ is found ---/-in all of history.

 This Man, Named... Tertullian,  is another Roman Catholic father ?.He, Coined and INVENTED ~ the word and Phraze "    Trinity"  " ~~ and assigned this Word to God..

the  Roman Catholic Father /  Tertullian  Sought TO explained, that the Father, Son & Holy Spirit were " ONLY one in Essence and not one in Person...  ( 

NEW INTERNATIONAL ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol 22, Pg 477 The term ?Trinity? was originated by Tertullian, a Roman Catholic Church Father.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0313.htm  &  http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/theology/bowman.html 
http://www.tertullian.org/works/adversus_hermogenem.htm


 ( Tertullian Against Hermogenes Chapter III)     There was, however, a time when neither sin existed with Him, nor the Son; 

There was, however, a time when the Son; DID NOT EXIST WITH THE FATHER... [Tertullian, Against Hermogenes 3, in ANF 3:478.]
For the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is only a derivation and a portion of the whole.  " [Tertullian, Against Praxeas 9, in ANF 3:603-604.]

Dont Let the Catholic ...FOOL  You..    jESUS ..   Was always God..

Lets stick to the Bible and Follow jESUS.... 

John 8:19 THEY SAID  -===   to Jesus Where is thy Father?  Jesus said-if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father  ..........verse 24JESUS  jESUS then CLEARLY SAID...... IF ye believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sin   And 27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
jESUS.... Continues to claim.... to be THE  FATHER / God

jESUS WAS  saying ..im the father...//..That's why they Killed Him....Making himself to be the Father./ God.

Ph 2:6     Jesus   WAS  the Form     ( /morphe- Greek ]  of God, thought it not robbery

/ PLUNDER-Greek] .. to be equal with God But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form ( /MORPH- Greek] of a servant
   
Greek 3444  μορφή  /  morphē /  mor-fay'   Through the idea of adjustment of parts); shape; figuratively nature: - form.

In the Bible,,,,  The Origional Greek.,.   USES the Very word Greek word  ({ ...MORPH...]}   
This is who jesus is..     The  Morph of GOD.......  the IMAGE of his INVISIBLE spirit.

CATHOLICS ...will always lie to You...

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0313.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/theology/bowman.html
http://www.tertullian.org/works/adversus_hermogenem.htm

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Re: Was Jesus always God ?
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2013, 07:08:24 PM »
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CATHOLICS ...will always lie to You...

I disagree, along with any other hate mongering.

Site header is divine peace amongst human conflict...your posts are creating human conflict amongst divine peace.

mysteryalizereX

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Re: Was Jesus always God ?
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2013, 07:19:00 PM »
R E M B E R ..  The Prophet of God.... DANIEL...

Daniel............... Dan 7:13  I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

The Idea of God ..  Manifesting HIMSELF in the Form of a MAN..   is Found from the Begening in the Old Testament....

Dan 3:25  He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Dan 3:26  Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth.

These Catholic Lies that    Teach that  the RESURECTION was not Taught in the Old Testament
  and that The Son of God was not the Son of God without the eXistance of Their FAKE pagan.  .. Mary.

They have one Goal....   to deceive You.. and Pervert the Word of God...Which they REALLY do not LIKE or BELIEVE..


  Rev 3:14  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

mysteryalizereX

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Re: Was Jesus always God ?
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2013, 07:26:42 PM »
Luk 12:51  Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:   

1Co 15:47  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

What You Disagree with.  IS the TRUTH.....   and that is the Baptism in the Name of the Lord,  jESUS Christ.

The Name of the FATHER /  AND  of the SON / AND of the Spirit.......     That name is  jESUS CHRIST....

 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, & be Baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, For the remission of sins, & ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost ??  Acts 2:38

GA 3:27...... For as many of you as have been BAPTIZED into Christ have put on Christ
1CO 1:13...... Is Christ divided? ..was Paul crucified for you? or were ye BAPTIZED in the name of Paul?
RO 6:3......  Know ye not, that so many of us as were BAPTIZED into Jesus Christ were BAPTIZED into his death?
AC 19:5 ...... When they heard this, they were BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord Jesus
AC 10:48...... & he commanded them to be BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord? Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
AC 8:16...... (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were.. BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
AC 8:12......  But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, &   the name of Jesus 
Christ, they were BAPTIZED, both men & women.   

Acts 19:3-5 ......"They were baptized unto Johns baptism. } Paul, SAID YOU are to  BELIEVE ON CHRIST JESUS...... When they heard this they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
Luk 24:47 Repentance & remission of sins should be preached in HIS NAME among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Acts 4:12: "Neither is there salvation in any other: For there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Col 3:17  And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.


The name of Jesus Christ is a declaration of who He is.    Jesus CHRIST is the FULLNESS of the  ENTIRE  Godhead...   BODILY..   in Flesh and spirit.

1.   Wonderful
2.   Counsellor
3.   The mighty God
4.   The everlasting Father
5.   The Prince of Peace


The TRUTH  is  Hate...  by Definition ...  Hate  is  Truth...      This Hate is not Directed toward You or  any  Features of  Your  Family or Race .
But the Lies that You May Teach....       Correcting the  Lies....    becomes HATRED to those who have no SCRIPTURES for their Faith

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