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Re: Daily Scripture : Gospel - Lk 10:1-12, 17-20
« Reply #72 on: July 07, 2013, 10:49:10 AM »


Was wondering about numbers in this scripture.   Is there a reason for them to be going out in '2's other than safety, and that there was 72 of them?

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19 Behold, I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you. 20 But yet rejoice not in this, that spirits are subject unto you; but rejoice in this, that your names are written in heaven.

I also read the above this morning as a warning against puffing oneself up with the 'power'.   Dont move your eyes from the goal, dont let power get to your head, concentrate on the end goal.  Once you start 'boasting' about the power you have within you, then what happens?  But then are you not to 'boast in the Lord'?

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Re: Daily Scripture : Gospel - Lk 10:1-12, 17-20
« Reply #73 on: July 07, 2013, 08:42:16 PM »
Was wondering about numbers in this scripture.   Is there a reason for them to be going out in '2's other than safety, and that there was 72 of them?

Notice that three is even better...

"Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.

For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.

Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?

And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken." Ecc 4:9-12

Also throughout the OT under the law a person cannot be condemned by the word of only one person. At least two accusers must always agree in whatever accusation they make.

On the 72 I come up with 70 for Luke 10:1 and 10:17. My Douay-Rheims and Jerusalem Bibles (both are Catholic Bibles) show 72. All of the several other Bibles I checked show 70. 

A footnote in my Jerusalem Bible says, :


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Important representaives of the Alexandrian and Caesarean text types read "seventy", while other important Alexandrian texts and Western reading have "seventy-two".


Which one is correct and does the difference make a difference? I am no expert of the original texts so I don't know which is correct. Does it make a difference? Any difference would perhaps depend upon the answer to the second part of your question, Serenity. Why did Jesus select a particular number, be it 70 or 72? I don't know the answer. I found the following additional information in "Henry's Complete Commentary":

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he (Jesus) selected and ordained seventy others, in allusion to the seventy elders of Israel, (Numbers 11:16,24,25) . The Vulgate Latin and Persic versions read, "seventy two", and so does Epiphanius . The Jewish sanhedrim is sometimes said to consist of seventy one , and sometimes of seventy two ; though commonly said to be of the round number seventy, as these disciples might be.

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19 Behold, I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you. 20 But yet rejoice not in this, that spirits are subject unto you; but rejoice in this, that your names are written in heaven.

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I also read the above this morning as a warning against puffing oneself up with the 'power'.   Dont move your eyes from the goal, dont let power get to your head, concentrate on the end goal.  Once you start 'boasting' about the power you have within you, then what happens?  But then are you not to 'boast in the Lord'?

Serpents are perhaps those beasts that would beguile (deceive) us as in the garden of Eden. Scorpions in our modern day and throughout scripture are seen as critters able to cause pain to men.

Whether we look to devils or men, or both, as those who would beguile us or cause us pain, if we instead look to the "goal" (Jesus), then we need not worry about being beguiled or suffering pain. This doesn't mean that we won't suffer for surely we will, but in the end of our matter, it is not something we should worry about...

As to boasting about what God has put inside of us, we should never hesitate to give God the glory for any gifts He has given us. It is, however, very easy for frail creatures such as we are to forget for a moment or longer who should be glorified and pat ourselves on the back.

If we are 'good' it is God working in and through us. If we are 'evil' it us letting the 'old man' retake the dominion that was his always before we met the Master.

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Daily Scripture : Gospel - Mt 9:18-26
« Reply #74 on: July 09, 2013, 01:04:37 AM »
Gospel - Mt 9:18-26

18 As he was speaking these things unto them, behold a certain ruler came up, and adored him, saying: Lord, my daughter is even now dead; but come, lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live. 19 And Jesus rising up followed him, with his disciples. 20 And behold a woman who was troubled with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment.21 For she said within herself: If I shall touch only his garment, I shall be healed. 22 But Jesus turning and seeing her, said: Be of good heart, daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour. 23 And when Jesus was come into the house of the ruler, and saw the minstrels and the multitude making a rout, 24 He said: Give place, for the girl is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn. 25 And when the multitude was put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand. And the maid arose.26 And the fame hereof went abroad into all that country.
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Daily Scripture : Gospel - Mt 9:32-38
« Reply #75 on: July 10, 2013, 01:14:48 AM »
Gospel - Mt 9:32-38

32 And when they were gone out, behold they brought him a dumb man, possessed with a devil. 33 And after the devil was cast out, the dumb man spoke, and the multitudes wondered, saying, Never was the like seen in Israel. 34 But the Pharisees said, By the prince of devils he casteth out devils. 35 And Jesus went about all the cities, and towns, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease, and every infirmity.36 And seeing the multitudes, he had compassion on them: because they were distressed, and lying like sheep that have no shepherd. 37 Then he saith to his disciples, The harvest indeed is great, but the labourers are few. 38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he send forth labourers into his harvest.
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Daily Scripture : Gospel - Mt 10:1-7
« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2013, 01:05:22 AM »
Gospel - Mt 10:1-7

1 And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. 2 And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, 3 James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, and James the son of Alpheus, and Thaddeus, 4 Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles, and into the city of the Samaritans enter ye not.6 But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
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Daily Scripture : Gospel - Mt 10:7-15
« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2013, 01:13:17 AM »
Gospel - Mt 10:7-15

7 And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely have you received, freely give. 9 Do not possess gold, nor silver, nor money in your purses: 10 Nor scrip for your journey, nor two coats, nor shoes, nor a staff; for the workman is worthy of his meat.11 And into whatsoever city or town you shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and there abide till you go thence. 12 And when you come into the house, salute it, saying: Peace be to this house. 13 And if that house be worthy, your peace shall come upon it; but if it be not worthy, your peace shall return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words: going forth out of that house or city shake off the dust from your feet. 15 Amen I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
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Daily Scripture : Gospel - Mt 10:16-23
« Reply #78 on: July 13, 2013, 01:12:08 AM »
Gospel - Mt 10:16-23

16 Behold I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves. 17 But beware of men. For they will deliver you up in councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues. 18 And you shall be brought before governors, and before kings for my sake, for a testimony to them and to the Gentiles: 19 But when they shall deliver you up, take no thought how or what to speak: for it shall be given you in that hour what to speak. 20 For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father that speaketh in you.21 The brother also shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the son: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and shall put them to death. 22 And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved. 23 And when they shall persecute you in this city, flee into another. Amen I say to you, you shall not finish all the cities of Israel, till the Son of man come.
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Daily Scripture : Gospel - Mt 10:24-33
« Reply #79 on: July 14, 2013, 01:21:29 AM »
Gospel - Mt 10:24-33

24 The disciple is not above the master, nor the servant above his lord. 25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the goodman of the house Beelzebub, how much more them of his household?26 Therefore fear them not. For nothing is covered that shall not be revealed: nor hid, that shall not be known. 27 That which I tell you in the dark, speak ye in the light: and that which you hear in the ear, preach ye upon the housetops. 28 And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and not one of them shall fall on the ground without your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.31 Fear not therefore: better are you than many sparrows. 32 Every one therefore that shall confess me before men, I will also confess him before my Father who is in heaven. 33 But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven.
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