Author Topic: More than conquerors  (Read 1779 times)

Description:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Jesus4me

Re: More than conquerors
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2015, 08:18:06 AM »

Welcome to the Biblical and Theology Section of 1Faith

[Raise a Debate] @ 1faith

Your post will be answered shortly

Raise a Debate - by posting bait !
O have I ?

Oooo nooooooooo   :wink:

Shows how little I know  :D

I said "conquering sin" and actually "I can only resist temptation /sin and the devil will flee"



WE ARE MORE THAN CONQUERORS [Overcomers]

I cannot help but be led to the very "Christians" in the New Testament  - who are being sort out and hunted [Paul once being a persecutor]

These "Disciples" - "Apostles" of the gospel were being hunted down *not because they believed in God* - after all the Jews believed in God....

But because they believed in the Son of God and were causing so much of a stir that they were seen as a a threat ...

Now if  I am about to be skinned alive and cut in half and boiled in oil"

The response would probably be "Aww man call the law enforcement  - man your body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit" we will pray about it - because you are more than a conqueror in Jesus" [as if in God as a Jew I am not]

But the early followers of "The Way - the Truth and the Life" John 14:6; - [now see the reverse] John 6:44;

Were tortured - cut in half - Persecuted - dipped in Oil - sawn in half - crucified upside down - stoned to death, to mention a few examples

They were more than conquerors in Jesus ..

Because Jesus conquered death and sin - He overcame the world




Just because some disciple were overcome, It doesn't take away the Biblical truth that we can overcome anything.
God ALWAYS causes us to triumph, 2 Cor 2: 14.
We overcome the world and have THE VICTORY, By faith, 1 Jn 5: 4.
We overcome by the blood of Jesus and words of our authority, Rev 12: 11.
The meaning or, "The word of their testimony", Is, [Authority given to the one who speaks with authority].


You need to read this again.

  Please note what we are more than conquerors over,
"Tribulation, distress, persecution famine, [poverty]. V35.
"Or anything else", V 39.

V 36 is quoting Ps 44: 22, which is about people forsaking God, 
Then Paul says, NO..NO.. That's not us, because in all things we are more than conquerors, V 37.

"Death, life, principalities, power, [Demonic forces], anything that comes against us, now or in the future", v38.
Trouble and sword", V 35.

Teaching God's liberating truth

Welcome to the Biblical and Theology Section of 1Faith

[Raise a Debate] @ 1faith

Your post will be answered shortly

Raise a Debate - by posting bait !

Serenity

  • Guest
Re: More than conquerors
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2015, 09:48:21 AM »
I hope never to stop learning - not sure if such is a curse or a blessing or both :undecided: haven't learnt yet :D

Me too, I love how God reveals something new each and every day.

TJ

  • Guest
Re: More than conquerors
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2015, 01:38:21 PM »



Just because some disciple were overcome, It doesn't take away the Biblical truth that we can overcome anything.
God ALWAYS causes us to triumph, 2 Cor 2: 14.
We overcome the world and have THE VICTORY, By faith, 1 Jn 5: 4.
We overcome by the blood of Jesus and words of our authority, Rev 12: 11.
The meaning or, "The word of their testimony", Is, [Authority given to the one who speaks with authority].


You need to read this again.

  Please note what we are more than conquerors over,
"Tribulation, distress, persecution famine, [poverty]. V35.
"Or anything else", V 39.

V 36 is quoting Ps 44: 22, which is about people forsaking God, 
Then Paul says, NO..NO.. That's not us, because in all things we are more than conquerors, V 37.

"Death, life, principalities, power, [Demonic forces], anything that comes against us, now or in the future", v38.
Trouble and sword", V 35.

O yes I agree J4Me

We can know or find the victory - as we often see in the biblical battles of old [the battle belongs to the Lord]

But as soon as the people begin to rely on their own strength and numbers they lose the battle.

This does not mean that the people lay down and sunbathe while God fights against their enemies - neither does it mean the soldiers fight while God takes a rest.

However we see biblical from Exodus to Revelations where people have overcome but also where people have not - [I cannot help feel at times that this conquering and overcoming is sold like a market tool to appeal to the masses - it sounds good but has little value and no deep understanding]

I see battles won by God and I see battles lost  such as David and bathsheba - Saul - Job - Cain - to name a few - these people were victorious in some parts of their lives yet not not others - they won in some ways and lost in others[but isn't this human nature?]

To take one biblical example and apply it is a dangerous thing



The Church as you know grows when under persecution although we can have the victory/overcome/conquer/ the persecution as Jesus did

WWJD or what did He do ? He willingly layed down His life [in and at the Fathers right time]




Offline Seeker

Re: More than conquerors
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2015, 04:24:04 PM »
O yes I agree J4Me

We can know or find the victory - as we often see in the biblical battles of old [the battle belongs to the Lord]

But as soon as the people begin to rely on their own strength and numbers they lose the battle.

This does not mean that the people lay down and sunbathe while God fights against their enemies - neither does it mean the soldiers fight while God takes a rest.

However we see biblical from Exodus to Revelations where people have overcome but also where people have not - [I cannot help feel at times that this conquering and overcoming is sold like a market tool to appeal to the masses - it sounds good but has little value and no deep understanding]

I see battles won by God and I see battles lost  such as David and bathsheba - Saul - Job - Cain - to name a few - these people were victorious in some parts of their lives yet not not others - they won in some ways and lost in others[but isn't this human nature?]

To take one biblical example and apply it is a dangerous thing



The Church as you know grows when under persecution although we can have the victory/overcome/conquer/ the persecution as Jesus did

WWJD or what did He do ? He willingly layed down His life [in and at the Fathers right time]

Hhmmm Bible verses popping up in my head again. John 12:25 'He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.' and also Mark 8:36 'For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?'

Welcome to the Biblical and Theology Section of 1Faith

[Raise a Debate] @ 1faith

Your post will be answered shortly

Raise a Debate - by posting bait !