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Gods Judgement v Human Judgement
« on: April 16, 2013, 06:31:55 PM »

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What God hates is sin and that which embodies it and is without possibility of redemption:

"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it." I John 5:16

We are not to hate individuals even ones who appear truly evil unless we know absolutely that they have not hope of every being redeemed. God hates the ones who have been given all of their opportunities and have failed in the end of the matter to acknowledge and receive the redemption offered through the Son.

You and I usually can only see the surface of a man, so we are unable to judge and we still hold our hope for the man's possible salvation. We cannot even see our own heart clearly without God's help so how can we see the heart of another?

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

He pondereth the heart and as with King Saul, God knows it is time to stop mourning for someone's unrepentant state:

"And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him... I Sam 16:1

God rejected Saul, but Samuel did not really know it until God told him. Until God tells us, we are unable to reject (finally condemn) anyone.



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Efengylwr71

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Re: Gods Judgement v Human Judgement
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2013, 08:46:34 PM »
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We are not to hate individuals even ones who appear truly evil unless we know absolutely that they have not hope of every being redeemed.
And would you be qualified to make such a judgment? Wouldn`t that possibly lead you into a potentially very presumptuous and  harmful judgment on somebody, just because you deemed them so. I once heard about a  famous Welsh preacher ( though I can`t remember his name) make such a claim. He announced publicly before the congregation that there was a woman in the church who was reprobate and beyond salvation, and that her presence in the congregation was doing the parishioners harm. Although later on he started to suffer mental illness and I think was having an illicit affair with a lady member of the church. So much for calling people reprobates. It is something therefore we should never assume about anyone, and leave the judging up to God. And remember, only Jesus knew that Judas was reprobate, the other eleven disciples had no idea. By the way, may I respectfully ask what has this to do with the subject at hand, I`m sure there`s a point somewhere, but I can`t see it. Maybe I have a spiritual blindness?
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God hates the ones who have been given all of their opportunities and have failed in the end of the matter to acknowledge and receive the redemption offered through the Son.
God hates those who "Fail". I don`t think I`d put it quite like that. For a start, salvation it`s not something that we can attain by our efforts alone, if it was left up to us, I think we would all fail, would we not? I would say that God rejects (rather than hates, for God is Love) those who willingly reject him first. I`m not sure that God (who is love) is into the hating game. I think the hate that we hear of in the bible (concerning God) is not the kind of hate that we might "Humanly Imagine" it to be. For God loved Jacob and hated Esau, but that love and hate may be a term for selection only, because God knew which one of them was most worthy of the blessing.

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Re: Gods Judgement v Human Judgement
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2013, 09:03:24 PM »
And would you be qualified to make such a judgment?

Not me! I am totally unqualified when it comes to that. God in me is another question, but before I act in such a judgmental manner, I had better be certain it is God that is leading me and no other. When or if in doubt, we had better wait for a clear sound.

Efengylwr71

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Re: Gods Judgement v Human Judgement
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2013, 09:39:46 PM »
I don`t think anyone is qualified to make such a judgment, and we should be careful (as I stated about the preacher) about who we think is telling us to make such a judgment. For such a judgment could be devastating to a poor erring soul who is having a struggle in life, especially one who is of a weak mind and prone to suggestion, for I know of such people who have devastated others with careless, presumptuous, and judgmental words; and thinking it to be word from God at that. What did Jesus say. He said to His disciples, ?It is inevitable that stumbling blocks come, but woe to him through whom they come! 2?It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble" Lk 17:1-3 So we must not be stumbling block to anyone, and must not judge. ?Judge not, that you be not judged. Mt 7:1. I think it`s best to leave the Judging up to God alone, lest we fall into presumption and  spiritually harm another.

Alien-R

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Re: Gods Judgement v Human Judgement
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2013, 11:15:40 PM »
there  difference  between Gods Judgements and Our judging as in "I MAY tend to judge people by my own standards or judge by my own feelings"

I might see a speck in anothers eye which boomerangs back on me


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John 9:39 Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind."

Efengylwr71

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Re: Gods Judgement v Human Judgement
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2013, 11:30:17 PM »
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I might see a speck in anothers eye which boomerangs back on me
Yes you might see a speck in another`s eye, providing you don`t have a log in yours. A log that Iv`e personally been hacking away at since I became a Christian. In fact it`s so big, that I`m starting to think it`s a tree. I think it`s time to get the chainsaw out. Lol.

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Re: Gods Judgement v Human Judgement
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2013, 11:47:11 PM »
Just hope its not a Redwood  :P

Efengylwr71

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Re: Gods Judgement v Human Judgement
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2013, 11:59:02 PM »
I just hope it`s not a family tree, or Iv`e really got my work cut out. lol

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