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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2013, 04:14:03 AM »

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Alien-R

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2013, 01:17:11 PM »
Just a few thoughts and articles

And although we have scriptures to support the ongoing of the "Old" we can also find
reason to believe that the old is gone, like anything in Gods Word we have what seems like
parrellel scriptures that seem to speak from  varying directions re:

http://bibleapps.com/greek/3822.htm rendered obsolete palaio?

Hebrews 8:13

By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete
and outdated will soon disappear.


2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the
letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


Hebrews 9:15

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance--now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.


Hebrews 12:24

to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.


Therefore we put on the garments of praise  ~ and we put on our NEW garments

Matthew 9:17

Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved."


So in  this some may be walking in the OT and some in the NT depending on whether they have changed their garments or not

Hebrews 1:11  They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:
The old has gone, the new is here!


Romans 13:14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ,


So in effect you could say that "If I put on the new garment the old one is not worn "

 
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Matthew Henry - abolition on the actual introduction of the Gospel. Both covenants cannot exist
 side by side.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cmt/jfb/heb008.htm

So we could say "the New Covenant began when I became a Christian and the old was made "obselete"
http://bibleapps.com/greek/3822.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cmt/jfb/heb008.htm

Efengylwr71

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2013, 06:47:02 PM »
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So we could say "the New Covenant began when I became a Christian and the old was made "obselete"
So tell me, does the new covenant make obsolete the 10 commandments. If you are in the new covenant and you break one of them, and do not repent of it, will it be held against you or not.Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and said to them, ?Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. Lk 24:45-48. So the old was not made obsolete, rather it was brought to fullness in Christ.

Mike

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2013, 08:52:03 PM »
Quote MikeI don`t think the old covenant ended, rather it was fulfilled.
I meant 'ended' in the sense of being raised to a new and higher level of spiritual requrement.
I think I went to length to explain that.
Why pick on that it in isolation?

alathea

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2013, 08:58:30 PM »
Does it matter when exactly  the old Covenant was fulfilled and the new come into being?

As long as we are aware of its having happened, should that not be enough for us?

But it happened by the power of God and as God is eternal, it is something that is within God's eternity.

Efengylwr71

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2013, 09:41:23 PM »
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I meant 'ended' in the sense of being raised to a new and higher level of spiritual requrement.
I think I went to length to explain that.
Why pick on that it in isolation?
I`m not picking on that one point. All I`m saying is that is that it never completely ended. The way I see it is that a child is not a man, but he grows up into being a man, and as a man he has a different perspective on life. Or it`s like a caterpillar`s pupa becoming a butterfly, they are one and the same insect, but it transforms into something that looks completely different. It is the same God that created the world that gave us the law through Moses, and it is the same God that spoke through the prophets, and that spoke of Jesus, the very same Jesus that brought us the "New covenant" who was the "Law" in the form of man. The new covenant was always in the old in a prefigurative way. From the the time when Moses commanded the Jews in Egypt to put the lambs blood on the doors to escape the angel of death, to the time Moses lifted up the bronze serpent when the Jews were in the wilderness for 40 years. And when the priest of God Melchizedek offered bread and wine, that was a prefigurement of what Jesus did at the last supper. So my point is that it`s (as I stated before) all intertwined somehow, and that the one melds into the other, as you may meld zinc and copper to make brass. It`s the same God and our Lord Jesus Christ yesterday, today, and forever. Glory be to God.

Serenity

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2013, 09:51:03 PM »
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All I`m saying is that is that it never completely ended. The way I see it is that a child is not a man, but he grows up into being a man, and as a man he has a different perspective on life. Or it`s like a caterpillar`s pupa becoming a butterfly, they are one and the same insect, but it transforms into something that looks completely different. It is the same God that created the world that gave us the law through Moses, and it is the same God that spoke through the prophets, and that spoke of Jesus, the very same Jesus that brought us the "New covenant" who was the "Law" in the form of man. The new covenant was always in the old in a prefigurative way. From the the time when Moses commanded the Jews in Egypt to put the lambs blood on the doors to escape the angel of death, to the time Moses lifted up the bronze serpent when the Jews were in the wilderness for 40 years. And when the priest of God Melchizedek offered bread and wine, that was a prefigurement of what Jesus did at the last supper. So my point is that it`s (as I stated before) all intertwined somehow, and that the one melds into the other, as you may meld zinc and copper to make brass. It`s the same God and our Lord Jesus Christ yesterday, today, and forever. Glory be to God.

Amen, good post :)

Serenity

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2013, 09:56:51 PM »
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Does it matter when exactly  the old Covenant was fulfilled and the new come into being?

Yes to some it may. 

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As long as we are aware of its having happened, should that not be enough for us?

Not necessarily, who's to know if you will or wont find an answer to something, unless you ask a question?
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But it happened by the power of God and as God is eternal, it is something that is within God's eternity.

Yes, but equally we are not made stupid...it is our wisdom which is God's foolishness, there is a difference.  If someone feels a drawing to know something, who are we to stand in the way of that?  i wouldn't like to take the risk, in being a boulder for someone in their walk with God, by restricting them.



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