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Mike

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2013, 06:37:10 AM »

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Quote MikeI`m not picking on that one point. All I`m saying is that is that it never completely ended. The way I see it is that a child is not a man, but he grows up into being a man, and as a man he has a different perspective on life. Or it`s like a caterpillar`s pupa becoming a butterfly, they are one and the same insect, but it transforms into something that looks completely different. It is the same God that created the world that gave us the law through Moses, and it is the same God that spoke through the prophets, and that spoke of Jesus, the very same Jesus that brought us the "New covenant" who was the "Law" in the form of man. The new covenant was always in the old in a prefigurative way. From the the time when Moses commanded the Jews in Egypt to put the lambs blood on the doors to escape the angel of death, to the time Moses lifted up the bronze serpent when the Jews were in the wilderness for 40 years. And when the priest of God Melchizedek offered bread and wine, that was a prefigurement of what Jesus did at the last supper. So my point is that it`s (as I stated before) all intertwined somehow, and that the one melds into the other, as you may meld zinc and copper to make brass. It`s the same God and our Lord Jesus Christ yesterday, today, and forever. Glory be to God.
That doesn't sound a lot different from what I had said.
Which is that The New Covenant upheld all that was contained within the Old....simply adding to it by lifting it to a new and higher level of spiritual (rather than written) definition.
"except your righteousness shall exceed that of the Scribes and the Pharisees you shall in no way enter the kingdon of heaven" (Christ's Sermon on the Mount meaning whatever it is that God's Holy Spirit convinces you to believe)
The principal difference between the Old and the New Covenants is that the Old was "written on tablets of stone" whereas the New is "written in the heart" ("For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: which shew the work of the law written in their hearts" was written by man and conveyed into my heart by God's Holy Spirit as per the essence of the 'New Covenant')

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2013, 09:45:59 PM »
That`s fair enough mike, I have no problems with that.
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(Christ's Sermon on the Mount meaning whatever it is that God's Holy Spirit convinces you to believe)
And that`s fine too, so long as the Holy spirit is telling us to do that which Jesus instructed us to do, because Jesus says.
 "When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you" Jn 16:13-16
So therefore the holy spirit will only suggest that you do what Jesus has said in the scripture.

Edwin

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2013, 09:56:36 PM »
Guardian

You ask,

When did the New Covenant begin ?

In my opinion, it began when Jesus said,
 
Jhn 20:22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 

Bless you.

Edwin.

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2013, 09:57:45 PM »
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"When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you" Jn 16:13-16
So therefore the holy spirit will only suggest that you do what Jesus has said in the scripture.

Good post, and I agree.

Mike

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2013, 04:23:30 AM »
The holy spirit will only suggest that you do what Jesus has said in the scripture.
Jesus himself is 'The Word' and he is not boxed into only being the 'written word' (at least not by me he isn't, for he lives within my heart)

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2013, 03:25:06 PM »
Not an argument, simply a vote.  Guardian, Jhn.19:30 works for me, although spiritual birth/indwelling, didn't switch on until the resurrection enabled it.

Edwin

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2013, 05:29:52 PM »
These verses may be of help.

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. 
Jer 31:33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 
Jer 31:34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." 

Hbr 8:6 But as it is, Christ [fn] has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 
Hbr 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. 
Hbr 8:8 For he finds fault with them when he says: [fn] "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 
Hbr 8:9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord. 
Hbr 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 
Hbr 8:11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 
Hbr 8:12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more." 
Hbr 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. 
 
Every blessing.

Edwin.

Alien-R

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Re: When did the New Covenant begin ?
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2013, 05:48:15 PM »
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Hbr 8:6 But as it is, Christ  has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 

Good point edwin

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as the covenant he mediates is better,

I wonder if Jesus is still the mediator of the Old

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