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Efengylwr71

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #64 on: September 26, 2013, 02:54:30 AM »

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The Son has merely made the Farther articulate by providing a body for the Father to dwell in.
Even though Jesus was carrying out the father`s commands, it doesn`t mean that it was actually the father dwelling in the body of Jesus, it was rather Jesus the son of God that was dwelling in the body of Jesus. But having said that, the father and the son are one, and this is the mystery of the trinity. The trouble is, that when we try and understand the trinity, we either combine the distinct persons into one to make sense of it. Or on the other hand we separate the Godhead to make sense of it. But the truth is, it doesn`t make sense, and because of that, no one can truly understand it, and so it must be accepted on faith alone. But one thing can be understood (logically) is that if the father and the son are one, and if the father cannot sin, then neither can the son. But strangely, this debate has become a discussin on the trinity, rather on whether Jesus could have sinned or not.

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2013, 03:07:45 AM »
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and so it must be accepted on faith alone

What if we have no faith ?

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Romans 3:3 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God's faithfulness?
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there seems to be two distinct differences between God and Jesus !

If God destroys is this sin ?

For example Noahs Ark !

The commandments are "Do not murder"

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #66 on: December 04, 2013, 12:07:57 AM »
What if we have no faith ?
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there seems to be two distinct differences between God and Jesus !

If God destroys is this sin ?

For example Noahs Ark !

The commandments are "Do not murder"

How to save a life
Killing is not murder. I`m pretty sure that the commandment is "Thou shalt not murder" originally, but somehow it`s been translated as "Not kill" God does no evil in destroying evil. When God destroys, he destroys "Only" that which is evil, as he must, and as is right and just to do so. Why does God destroy evil? Simple, if he didn`t, he would not (and could not) be good. If he let evil persist on an eternal basis, that would be as good as him agreeing with evil, which would make himself evil. Of course this is not the case, and so God rightly destroys evil, as is right to do so.
As to having no faith, if we have no faith, then the matter of whether Jesus could have sinned, or whether the trinity is as we accept to be or not, really doesn`t matter. It would be like asking someone who has no interest in the game of chess what they thought about the game, it just wouldn`t matter to them. It only matters therefore to believers, and followers of Jesus. And because it matters to them/us, then it is important that we get as near to the mark as is humanly possible. So until someone comes to faith in Christ, it really doesn`t matter.

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #67 on: September 08, 2020, 12:23:23 AM »
Quote Alien-RWe are tried and tested that WE may know ourselves inside out, in HE who made us. For God desires that all come to know him, and that all may come to know "themselves" through him. For after all, we are made in his image an likeness. What is the saying? "KNOW THYSELF" So through testing we come to know ourselves, and God at the same time. So it`s for our education, not his.


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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2020, 10:33:41 AM »
Scripture must be read carefully and thoroughly.  Jesus calls Pharisees hypocrites and also refers to them as, Blind guides (Matthew 23:16), and a Brood of vipers (Matthew 23:33). He asks them point blank, How will you escape being condemned to hell? (Matthew 23:33).

This is anything but turning the other cheek, and it may seem the furthest thing from loving your neighbor (Mark 12:31), or forgiving someone seven times seventy for the things they?ve done to you (Matthew 18:21-22),

Jesus is God Incarnate.  He is the very same God of the Old Testament who, on the day of giving His laws to Moses, wanted to strike down all the Israelites in His anger because they crafted a golden calf and worshiped it. Instead, only 3,000 are listed as dying by the hand of the Levites that day (Exodus 32).
 
He is the God who sent a plague that killed 24,000 Israelites for sexual immorality and bowing down before the false God of the Moabites before a priest named Phineas killed two people caught in the act and subsided the Lord?s anger (Numbers 25).
If those are not enough to show the wrath of the Lord, then perhaps the most extravagant display of His anger previously experienced by mankind can set the record straight:

This is found in Genesis 7 where He killed every living creature on the earth because of their violence and corruption, saving only eight humans, one pair of every unclean animal, and seven pairs of every clean animal.

Acts 5:5-10 is where Ananias and his wife Sapphira suffer death for lying to the Holy Spirit.

We must never, ever forget that God is not only a God of love and forgiveness but also a God of justice and righteousness and that Jesus, as recorded in John's Gospel, is one with God.  John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



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