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Edwin

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2013, 01:04:04 PM »

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Efengylwr71

You say,
 
"And there you go again Edwin, separating the Godhead. When Jesus talks about his own will as a man, that does not refer to, or imply that he was talking about himself being able to sin."
 
Really, what makes you think that?
 
"Remember when he refers to himself, he is referring to the second person of the trinity, and when he refers to the will of the father, he speaking of the first person of the trinity. You cannot believe Jesus could have sinned without separating the Godhead, which is what you most blatantly are doing."

If Jesus as a man on earth was also God at the same time, how do you explain?

Psalm 121:4 says "Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep".

Jesus went to sleep in the back of a boat.

Jesus did not know the time of His second coming, only the Father knows that.

Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

"It`s a shame that you cannot see this. And by the way, believing that Jesus could have sinned is the first step to believing that he did sin."

Not so in my case as I made clear when I said "He was able to sin, but always chose not to sin."

See my ? Reply #8 on: September 10, 2013, 10:41:38 PM ?

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2013, 03:02:15 AM »
Efengylwr71

You say,
 
"And there you go again Edwin, separating the Godhead. When Jesus talks about his own will as a man, that does not refer to, or imply that he was talking about himself being able to sin."
 
Really, what makes you think that?
 
"Remember when he refers to himself, he is referring to the second person of the trinity, and when he refers to the will of the father, he speaking of the first person of the trinity. You cannot believe Jesus could have sinned without separating the Godhead, which is what you most blatantly are doing."

If Jesus as a man on earth was also God at the same time, how do you explain?

Psalm 121:4 says "Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep".

Jesus went to sleep in the back of a boat.

Jesus did not know the time of His second coming, only the Father knows that.

Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

"It`s a shame that you cannot see this. And by the way, believing that Jesus could have sinned is the first step to believing that he did sin."

Not so in my case as I made clear when I said "He was able to sin, but always chose not to sin."

See my ? Reply #8 on: September 10, 2013, 10:41:38 PM ?
Wow, what a load of complete rubbish. You are so guilty of the kenotic heresy. Just because Jesus didn`t know the time of his second coming, that doesn`t mean that he wasn`t God on earth, only that he chose to limit his power somewhat. But his moral nature was not compromised for a second. The bible clearly shows that Jesus was God on earth in.....
And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became white as light.  And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him. Matthew 17:1-9.
What do you think that that was all about Edwin? Do you think that the son of God just popped in for a while to see how Jesus was doing? Making sure he was doing his job properly perhaps, and making sure that he wasn`t falling into sin? hmmmm. What utter nonsense you utter. Jesus was God on earth, and as God on earth, he could NEVER sin. It is truly a shame that you cannot see this, instead of being blinded by your heretical belief. Believing Jesus could have sinned, is tantamount to believing goodness can potentially be evil, or that light can potentially be darkness. This is a logical fallacy on your part, but again, your belief is so heretical you can`t see it.
He who keeps Israel shall never slumber or sleep? Who do you think that the psalm is referring to? It`s obviously God the father. And so once again we see you separating the God head. Indeed, if you think that that psalm refers to Jesus, then do you even believe that he was the son of God? since he actually did sleep. Your ideas are incoherent and make no sense at all.

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2013, 03:24:41 AM »
Efengylwr71

You say,
 
"And there you go again Edwin, separating the Godhead. When Jesus talks about his own will as a man, that does not refer to, or imply that he was talking about himself being able to sin."
 
Really, what makes you think that?
 
"Remember when he refers to himself, he is referring to the second person of the trinity, and when he refers to the will of the father, he speaking of the first person of the trinity. You cannot believe Jesus could have sinned without separating the Godhead, which is what you most blatantly are doing."

If Jesus as a man on earth was also God at the same time, how do you explain?

Psalm 121:4 says "Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep".

Jesus went to sleep in the back of a boat.

Jesus did not know the time of His second coming, only the Father knows that.

Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

"It`s a shame that you cannot see this. And by the way, believing that Jesus could have sinned is the first step to believing that he did sin."

Not so in my case as I made clear when I said "He was able to sin, but always chose not to sin."

See my ? Reply #8 on: September 10, 2013, 10:41:38 PM ?

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Psalm 121:4 says "Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep".

Jesus went to sleep in the back of a boat.


see : http://www.christianfaithandfellowshipforum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4802.msg37397;topicseen#msg37397

I do not believe that Jesus did sleep in that boat

How could anyone fall asleep in a storm in an open boat ?

Yet Jesus calmed the storm because He was the One who had first breathed upon the waters at the dawning of time as the "Word" was spoken and it was He who hovered over the waters of the deep "In the beginning" Genesis 1:2

And God rested

So hard to rest in a storm, thank goodness there is another day Hebrews 4:10




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Edwin

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2013, 10:08:48 PM »
Alien-R.

You say,

"I do not believe that Jesus did sleep in that boat"

Really: Then what do you make of verse 24?

Mat 8:22 And Jesus said to him, "Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead." 
Mat 8:23 And when he got into the boat, his disciples followed him. 
Mat 8:24 And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but he was asleep. 
Mat 8:25 And they went and woke him, saying, "Save us, Lord; we are perishing." 

Edwin

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2013, 10:21:05 PM »
Efengylwr71

Since when does God address Himself as,  "To do Your will, O God".

Hbr 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. 
Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure. 
Hbr 10:7 Then I said, 'Behold, I have come-- In the volume of the book it is written of Me-- To do Your will, O God.' [fn] " 

NKJV Footnotes: (10:7) Psalm 40:6?8

How can God possibly say, "my God",

Jhn 20:17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

Unless of course at the time of His humanity Jesus was not God?


Alien-R

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2013, 10:25:16 PM »
Alien-R.

You say,

"I do not believe that Jesus did sleep in that boat"

Really: Then what do you make of verse 24?

Mat 8:22 And Jesus said to him, "Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead." 
Mat 8:23 And when he got into the boat, his disciples followed him. 
Mat 8:24 And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but he was asleep. 
Mat 8:25 And they went and woke him, saying, "Save us, Lord; we are perishing."

I already answered that one lol

Edwin

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2013, 10:33:57 PM »
Alien-R.

You say.

"I already answered that one"

Sorry, I am not able to find your answer, could you repeat it please.

Thank you.

Edwin.
 

Alien-R

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Re: Was Jesus without sin or able to sin ?
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2013, 10:43:21 PM »
he said to his disciples, "Let us go over to the other side."

It was His idea

I don't think Jesus was asleep

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see ? Reply #42 on: Today at 03:24:41 AM

I also know scripture says "God rested" but He doesn't need rest


That is'nt to say that "Jesus never slept" he slept as any man

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