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Re: Were Adam and Eve created perfect?
« Reply #80 on: April 02, 2013, 07:23:50 PM »

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Adam doesn't need to represent the whole of humankind, if Eve represents womankind, stands to reason from what your saying, that if true, he only needs to represent mankind

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Re: Were Adam and Eve created perfect?
« Reply #81 on: April 02, 2013, 08:56:13 PM »
it is in the main and generally accepted that the word Adam translates as mankind which translates as humankind - woman clearly is neither mankind nor humankind - wincam
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Re: Were Adam and Eve created perfect?
« Reply #82 on: April 02, 2013, 09:01:18 PM »
Quote EdwinI think you prove that "All" have free will without a shadow of a doubt, and I`m in TOTAL agreement with you. God bless Edwin.

not at all all some few like me do not,especia;;y if by free will you mean free choice or free to choose - wincam
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Re: Were Adam and Eve created perfect?
« Reply #83 on: April 02, 2013, 09:11:35 PM »
Quote EdwinI think you prove that "All" have free will without a shadow of a doubt, and I`m in TOTAL agreement with you. God bless Edwin.

not at all all - if by freewill you mean free choice or free to choose - not at all all for some like myself do not agree - more later probably a new topic - twinc
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Re: Were Adam and Eve created perfect?
« Reply #84 on: April 02, 2013, 10:07:52 PM »
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not at all all - if by freewill you mean free choice or free to choose - not at all all for some like myself do not agree - more later probably a new topic - twinc
Free will is choice, choice is free will. It is the God given ability to "Choose" your own fate. A gift that God gives to "All" so that "All" are without excuse for their sin, else "All" could put the blame on God. And indeed, if God had not given "All" free will or "Choice" Then he would be culpable for our sin. It`s quite simple really, Isn`t it? "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live" Deuteronomy 30:19. I think that says it "All" does it not.

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Re: Were Adam and Eve created perfect?
« Reply #85 on: April 02, 2013, 10:38:00 PM »
Alien-R.

Thank you for your Reply #75

Your comments are much appreciated.

You say,

"cannot understand is "how the second Adam saved the first Adam" ?"

In the same way that He saved Abraham, and others in the pre Christian era 

Gen 15:6 And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."

You also say,

I've mulled over that one lots of times but concluded ................
that Eve  saved through childbearing was a metaphor of the Bride bearing children, but not of the salvation of Eve herself

Her child bearing started off the human race, and thereby enabled our kinsman redeemer to come into existence.

And she was saved in the same way as her husband was.

Every blessing.

Edwin.

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Re: Were Adam and Eve created perfect?
« Reply #86 on: April 02, 2013, 10:55:38 PM »
well was a good topic , certainly some food for thought

Needs chewing over and digesting

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Re: Were Adam and Eve created perfect?
« Reply #87 on: April 03, 2013, 12:12:51 PM »
wincam"

You say,

not at all all some few like me do not,especia;;y if by free will you mean free choice or free to choose - wincam

What do you make then of,

Jhn 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Jhn 6:65 And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." 

So why do you think that God only draws some, and not all ?

Edwin.

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