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Re: Light & Darkness
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2016, 02:08:32 AM »

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Dear All,

I believe that all light, physical and spiritual, is a manifestation of God's Glory.  For instance, in the hours before Jesus gave up the ghost God left him and it grew dark.  I believe that our Father could not bear to look upon the death of His son and when He turned his face away light left too.  We see something similar happening during the 10 plagues of Egypt.

God's glory is always associated with intense light.

God bless,

Michael

So how is the metaphor of Light and darkness transposed  to Sin and goodness?

That is "how do we equate good and bad alongside Light and day ?


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Offline tribalchristian

Re: Light & Darkness
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2016, 07:52:03 PM »
Hi all,

I guess, simply put, the absence of God is the absence of Light.  I truly believe that God is the source of all light.   This is why He said "let there be light."   Some have said that outer darkness is simply the total absence of the Spirit of our Father. 

For instance, as we come into the light our understanding blossoms simply because we can finally "see" the truth that has been there from the foundations of the world.  Conversely, without God, professing themselves to be wise they became fools.  Why? Because as they  turned away from the light their understanding was darkened because the could no longer "see." 

One thing about coming into the light, into God's presence, is that sin, which many times is demons, cannot remain because light always defeats darkness and causes it to vanish.

It is interesting that they call the unimaginably bright light created by they huge atom smashers "the light of creation."  They use that light to actually "see" atoms.  So, even in the natural realm the more light you have the more you can see and therefore understand. 

God bless,

Michael King
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Offline John

Re: Light & Darkness
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2016, 08:42:01 PM »
Metaphors, basiclly fancy words for a misunderstood idea.
We are sinners saved by grace, struggling to live in obedience to Jesus, struggling with our own desires to do that which is evil and having to turn repeatedly back to Jesus in repentance.
If talking about light and darkness makes it more understandable use it.

The only thoughts that run through my mind when you talk about God creating light and separating the light from darkness is why did God take one day, so long to do that. He's going to transform the universe in n instant when Jesus comes again. Think of Gods power the whole known and unknow universe transform in the twinkling of an eye.

TJ

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Re: Light & Darkness
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2016, 01:28:01 AM »
Yes the scriptures that spring to mind here are 1 Thessalonians 5:5  You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.

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John 1:5   And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


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Re: Light & Darkness
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2016, 01:29:34 AM »
Those two scriptures alone transpose day as light and night as darkness

And so "what we see as a natural day is a spiritual event"

What we see as an evening "is also a darkness"

Offline davetaff

Re: Light & Darkness
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2016, 05:12:15 PM »
Hi
Genesis the creation of the universe the earth and everything in it the light on day one has to be Christ the light of the world he was before all things the first and the last.
I like to think Genesis 1 is still in progress that creation will not be finished until we see Man (mankind) in Gods image which of course is Christ united with his bride and we enter into Gods rest this is Gods plan for us and it has not bean achieved yet.

I believe that Genesis 2 is the second creation of man in Gods image which is Israel it started after the flood with Noah it would take 6000 years six days on the  forth day the sun is created Christ comes into the world the moon is created the church to give us light while we wait for the return of our lord.

Love and Peace
Dave 

Offline Amadeus

Re: Light & Darkness
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2016, 02:50:31 AM »
Hey there friend, I don't have all of the answers. Yes, I know someone who does, but then so do you. Who He chooses to use or how depends on His purpose, which we do not always know, do we?

Give God the glory!

"Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death;

A land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness." Job 10:21-22

"If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.

Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee." Psalm 139:10-11

"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9

Notice that every man receives light, not only those born again, but every man born to woman. We were truly in darkness yet we could see enough light to direct ourselves toward that brighter Light. In Adam and Eve we died, we left the Light, but still a light remained which provided us with a Hope.

God is in all of it and in all of us in a sense, but then again not really. Not really, because in spite the miniscule light, we were really in darkness. We were really dead, but we continued to walk around in the flesh and we were blind. Without light, we cannot see a thing.

The physical human eye allows us to see, yet, Jesus speaking His Father's words did not recognize this as real vision, as real Life.

"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:22

Jesus was talking about the natural friends and family of one of his disciples. He called the "dead". They were the walking dead because that had only what they had inherited from their natural parents, the death of Adam and Eve:

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." GFen 2:17

And they did die as far as God was concerned. They could no longer see. Yes, the glimmer of light as per John 1:9 remained, but that light was darkness. When a person is born again he begins to see, although still through a "glass darkly" , but shouldn't he be approaching the clear "face to face" (I Cor 13:12) vision that David also sought?

"When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek." Psalm 27:8

And without vision, what do we have?

"Where there is no vision, the people perish:" Prov 29:18

And the wicked man who has had only that glimmer of light as per John 1:9, what happens to him and his little light?

"For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out." Prov 24:20

Offline davetaff

Re: Light & Darkness
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2016, 02:23:16 PM »
Hi Amadeus
Good post lots to contemplate thanks This verse in particular I thought was of interest

1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

In my last post I said the sun and the moon represented Christ and his Church the moon mirrors the light of the sun it has no light of it's own we see the light of Christ darkly.
The other thing is when we look into a mirror we see things differently left becomes right should we look at scripture in the same way.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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