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Jacob's Ladder
« on: January 07, 2013, 11:25:53 PM »
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"Jacob's Ladder"


The clouds prepare for battle
In the dark and brooding silence
Bruised and sullen storm clouds
Have the light of day obscured
Looming low and ominous
In twilight premature
Thunder heads are rumbling
In a distant overture...

All at once, the clouds are parted
Light streams down in bright unbroken beams...

Follow men's eyes as they look to the skies
The shifting shafts of shining weave the fabric of their dreams...


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Genesis 28:10-19

Jacob's Dream

10 Jacob left Beersheba and went toward Haran. 11 And he came to a certain place and stayed there that night, because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones of the place, he put it under his head and lay down in that place to sleep. 12 And he dreamed, and behold, there was a ladder[a] set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven. And behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it! 13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said, ?I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac. The land on which you lie I will give to you and to your offspring. 14 Your offspring shall be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south, and in you and your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed. 15 Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land. For I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.? 16 Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, ?Surely the Lord is in this place, and I did not know it.? 17 And he was afraid and said, ?How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.?

18 So early in the morning Jacob took the stone that he had put under his head and set it up for a pillar and poured oil on the top of it. 19 He called the name of that place Bethel,[c] but the name of the city was Luz at the first.


Just pondering on this at moment, thought would post up for reference, if anyone wants to put their thoughts about Jacobs Ladder, feel free :)



Re: Jacob's Ladder
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2013, 01:14:33 AM »
RUSH

"Jacob's Ladder"


The clouds prepare for battle
In the dark and brooding silence
Bruised and sullen storm clouds
Have the light of day obscured
Looming low and ominous
In twilight premature
Thunder heads are rumbling
In a distant overture...

All at once, the clouds are parted
Light streams down in bright unbroken beams...

Follow men's eyes as they look to the skies
The shifting shafts of shining weave the fabric of their dreams...


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Genesis 28:10-19

Jacob's Dream

10 Jacob left Beersheba and went toward Haran. 11 And he came to a certain place and stayed there that night, because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones of the place, he put it under his head and lay down in that place to sleep. 12 And he dreamed, and behold, there was a ladder[a] set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven. And behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it! 13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said, ?I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac. The land on which you lie I will give to you and to your offspring. 14 Your offspring shall be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south, and in you and your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed. 15 Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land. For I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.? 16 Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, ?Surely the Lord is in this place, and I did not know it.? 17 And he was afraid and said, ?How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.?

18 So early in the morning Jacob took the stone that he had put under his head and set it up for a pillar and poured oil on the top of it. 19 He called the name of that place Bethel,[c] but the name of the city was Luz at the first.


Just pondering on this at moment, thought would post up for reference, if anyone wants to put their thoughts about Jacobs Ladder, feel free :)


   I used to say we must strive to overcome every wrong like climbing a ladder. Now when I see that passage I see Jesus as the rock of our salvation and as he said , his sheep will go in and out the gates freely. Freely, without bondage as the sinner but if you consider the pearly gates, the gates of heaven. And then Jesus saying to those on the outside it is not given that they should understand. Jesus said about the woman married so many times, when she died she would be as the angels in heaven. We can go into the Spirit and come out and no sin can put us in bondage just as the angels go up and down the ladder when we rest our head on that rock of salvation Jesus our lord and all when they come to him receive a new name or the name is changed and even the sylables show like the el for the angels and the awe for the Lord. Seems his is such an awesome God. Thanks for letting me join in on your tread sister. Well, sister or brother, serenity, the name, I can't tell gender by it but what does it matter.

James

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Re: Jacob's Ladder
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 08:18:57 AM »
Surely the Lord is in this place, and I did not know it.?

Jacob made the mistake so many make and that is to think the Lord is in this place or that place.

David on the other hand knew that wherever he (David ) was there the Lord would be.
Jacob could have made his bed anywhere and he would still have woken in the morning and said the same words "surely the Lord is in this place and I did not know", for our God dwells in his people, he will never leave or forsake us.

Glory!

James

Helen

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Re: Jacob's Ladder
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 04:35:46 PM »
Amen...very good thread.  :)

Edwin

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Re: Jacob's Ladder
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2013, 03:08:19 PM »
 
Serenity.

Thank you for your topic.

My thoughts on Jacob's ladder are as follows

Jacob dreamed of a ladder set up on the earth, the top of it reaching to heaven; and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.

Jesus explains it this way,

"I assure you, most solemnly I tell you all, you shall see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man!"
 
John 1:51, were addressed to Nathanael, as can be seen from my comments on this passage of Scripture below.
 
Subject: The rapid conversion of Nathanael
 
Jhn 1:45 Philip found Nathanael and said to him, "We have found Him of whom Moses in the law, and also the prophets, wrote--Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."
Jhn 1:46 And Nathanael said to him, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?" Philip said to him, "Come and see."
Jhn 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him, and said of him, "Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!"
Jhn 1:48 Nathanael said to Him, "How do You know me?" Jesus answered and said to him, "Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you."
Jhn 1:49 Nathanael answered and said to Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!"
Jhn 1:50 Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you, 'I saw you under the fig tree,' do you believe? You will see greater things than these."
Jhn 1:51 And He said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter[fn9] you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man."
 
This is the only time that Jesus ever referred to anyone as an, "Israelite", or used the word, "deceit", translated, "guile", in the King James Bible.
 
The expression, "under the fig tree", is an Hebraic euphemism for, "out door Bible study", or "out door teaching", as the fig tree has the largest leaves of any tree in that part of the world, and, therefore, under it's leaves was the best place to be for contemplation/meditation of Scripture, if you wished to do so out doors, and at the same time be protected from the sun which can be very hot at certain times of the day in Israel.
 
It is clear that this is where Nathanael was at the time when Philip called him, and that he had been thinking about Jacob who's name means, deceitful 4, deceitfully 3, deceit 2, slothful 2, false 1, guile 1, idle 1, slack 1, but as we know this man had his name changed, see.
 
Gen 32:28 And He said, "Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel;[fn2] for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed."
 
Footnote:
32:28 Literally Prince with God
 
Nathanael was undoubtedly impressed by Jesus words, when He said, "Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!", he would no doubt ask himself, "does this man really know that when Philip called me, I was thinking about Jacob?", and, therefore, he asks, "How do You know me?", to which Jesus replies, "Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you."
 
Is it any wonder that Nathanael then said, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!"
 
Jhn 1:50 Jesus answered him, "Because I said to you, 'I saw you under the fig tree,' do you believe? You will see greater things than these."
Jhn 1:51 And he said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, [fn] you will see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man."
 
ESV Footnotes:
(1:51) The Greek for you is plural; twice in this verse
 
Our Lords words in verses 50 - 51, are in fact saying, "Not only do I know that you were thinking about Jacob, but I actually know exactly which passage of Scripture it was you had in mind.. The passage of Scripture that we now know today as Genesis Ch 28.
 
Every blessing.
 
Edwin.

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Re: Jacob's Ladder
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2015, 10:39:55 PM »
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The clouds prepare for battle
In the dark and brooding silence
Bruised and sullen storm clouds
Have the light of day obscured
Looming low and ominous
In twilight premature
Thunder heads are rumbling
In a distant overture...

All at once, the clouds are parted
Light streams down in bright unbroken beams...

Follow men's eyes as they look to the skies
The shifting shafts of shining weave the fabric of their dreams
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