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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2023, 02:35:24 PM »
Erotic Fantasies

Matt 5:27-28 . .You have heard that it was said you shall not commit adultery;
but I say to you, that everyone who looks on a woman to lust for her has
committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Before we can even begin to apply what Christ said about adultery; we first have to
categorize the "woman" about whom he spoke. Well; she's obviously somebody's
wife because adultery is defined as voluntary carnal activity between a married man
and someone other than his wife, or between a married woman and someone other
than her husband. In other words; in order for an incident to qualify as adultery, at
least one of the participants has to be married.

The Greek word for "lust" basically means to set the heart upon.

Setting one's heart upon something is a whole lot different than merely liking
something and wanting it. The one whose heart is set upon something is in the
process of finding a way to get it; and as such comes under the ruling of
covetousness; which reads:

Ex 20:17 . .Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his burro,
nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

Coveting, per se, isn't a sin. Paul encouraged the Corinthian Christians to "covet
earnestly" the best spiritual gifts (1Cor 12:31) and to covet prophesy (1Cor 14:39).
To "covet earnestly" means to go after something with the full intention of
possessing it.

Ex 20:17 doesn't condemn erotic fantasies nor a healthy male libido, no, it
condemns scheming to take away something of your neighbor's instead of getting
your own. (cf. 1Kgs 21:1-20)

Rom 13:14 . . But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the
flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof.

The emphasis there is not upon human nature's desires; rather, upon taking steps
to fulfill them; which has the distinction of being the correct interpretation of Matt

So then, are Ex 20:17 and Matt 5:27-28 saying that a man can't look across the
street at his neighbor's Harley Sportster and drool over it, turning green with envy?
Or that a man can't gape at his neighbor's buxom wife, undressing her with his
eyes, and having erotic fantasies about her? No, the kind of lust we're talking about
here doesn't imply that at all. It implies a man scheming to get the neighbor's Harley
and his buxom wife instead of getting those things morally and legitimately.

As an illustration: in the movie "The Bridges Of Madison County" there's a precise
moment when a married Francesca Johnson makes a definite decision to initiate an
affair with free-lance photographer Robert Kincaid. Francesca was okay with Robert
up till the moment of her decision; but from that moment on, Mrs. Johnson was an
adulteress before she and Robert even slept together because it was in her heart to
make it happen.

FAQ: Why do people feel so guilty about their libido?

REPLY: In the beginning, that wasn't so.

Gen 2:25 . .They were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Then Adam tasted the forbidden fruit, and his perception of decency was markedly

Gen 3:7 . . Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they
were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

The Hebrew word for "coverings" indicates aprons; i.e. they made themselves loin
cloths, which suggests to me that they were compelled to cover up their midlands
right away due to a change in their feelings about sex and the human body.

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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2023, 02:05:24 PM »
Yom Kippur

The details of Yom Kippur per Lev 23:27-32, Lev 16:29-34, and Num 29:7 don't
really matter all that much to Christians because the New Testament only concerns
itself with the ritual's limitations.

The problem is: the covenant's sacrifices obtain pardons and forgiveness and
cleansing for the people, but the sacrifices aren't sufficient to obtain innocence for
them nor to get their records wiped clean. In other words; Yom Kippur may obtain
forgiveness, pardon, and cleansing for dishonesty; but on the books the offender
will still be listed as a liar. (Heb 10:1-3)

And on top of that, the very moment the ritual ends, people begin accumulating
new sins towards the next Yom Kippur so there's never really a moment when the
people are guiltless. So then, Yom Kippurs are endless; one is never enough
because the ritual is always for the past, never for the future. In other words; Yom
Kippurs are always catching up with the people's sins instead of getting out ahead
of them.

FAQ: Doesn't Yom Kippur's scapegoat effect a wipe?

REPLY: The so-called a scapegoat is a misnomer. It's actually an escaping goat; viz:
a fugitive; here's why.

It's a biblical axiom that the soul that sins, it shall die, i.e. the wages of sin is death
(Ezek 18:20, Rom 6:23). Well; the scapegoat is allowed to live rather than
executed, so justice for the worshippers' sins remains pending; hanging over their
heads like a sword of Damocles.

NOTE: Some people, unfamiliar with animal husbandry, think that leaving a goat
out in a wilderness place to fend for itself is a death sentence. No; far from it.
Goats are survivors. They can get by in environments that quite a few other species
would find quite disagreeable. And though the Jews were in a wilderness place
during the giving of the law, there was vegetation enough to nourish the herds. (Ex

Yom Kippur's purpose then, isn't to expunge the people's sins; rather, to remind
the people that although Yom Kippur's ritual sanitizes them as per Lev 16:30, their
sins are still on the books, yet to be brought to justice.

Ex 34:6-7 . . The Lord; The Lord God: compassionate and gracious, slow to
anger, and abounding in loving kindness and truth; who keeps loving kindness for
thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means
leave the guilty unpunished

Nahum 1:3 . . The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all
acquit the wicked

Looking at those two scriptures one cannot help but scratch their head and wonder
how it's possible that God forgives the guilty, and yet at the same time does not
acquit the guilty. Well; forgiveness and acquittal are two very different things in the
Old Testament.

In other words; though God forgives He does not forget; viz: the covenant that
Moses' people agreed upon with God does not permit Him to expunge the guilty
party's record; viz: forgiveness per the covenant is merely a reprieve; which
Webster's defines as: to delay the punishment of someone; such as a prisoner who
is sentenced to death. (cf. Rom 3:25)

Long story short: there's a reckoning coming for Moses' people when the covenant
will finally get its pound of flesh per Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69.

NOTE: Never, ever, wish your Jewish friends and/or associates a pleasant Yom
Kippur. It's okay to wish them a satisfactory Yom Kippur but never a pleasant one
because it's not a feel-good day like Christmas and birthdays.

Yom Kippur is specifically a day to be depressed; viz: a day of sadness and self
loathing; per Lev 16:29-31, Lev 16:31, Lev 23:27, and Lev 23:32, which is from a
Hebrew word meaning to mistreat, humiliate, oppress, break the spirit, demean,
abuse, weaken, injure, abase, etc. Jews that think and/or speak well of themselves
on that day accrue an instant curse upon themselves. (Deut 27:26)

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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2023, 02:35:32 PM »
The Brazen Serpent

John 3:14-17 . . As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must
the Son of Man be lifted up; that whoever believes may in him have eternal life. For
God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, that whoever believes
in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

The incident to which Christ referred is located at Num 21:5-9.

Long story short: Moses' people became weary of eating manna all the time at
every meal. But instead of courteously, and diplomatically, petitioning their divine
benefactor for a different diet, they became indignant and confrontational; angrily
demanding better accommodations.

In response to their insolence, and their ingratitude for His providence; God sent a
swarm of deadly poisonous vipers among them; which began striking people; and
every strike was 100% fatal, no exceptions.

After a number of people died, the rest came to their senses and begged Moses to
intercede. In reply; The Lord instructed Moses to fashion a replica of the vipers and
hoist it up on a pole in plain view so that everyone dying from venom could look to
it for relief.

The key issue here is that the replica was the only God-given remedy for the
people's bites-- not sacrifices and offerings, not tithing, not church attendance, not
scapulars, not confession, not holy days of obligation, not the Sabbath, not
rosaries, not weeping, not the golden rule, not charity, not Bible study and/or
Sunday school, not self denial, not vows of poverty, not the Ten Commandments,
nor even one's ideology of choice, i.e. it wouldn't have mattered whether somebody
was Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic, Protestant, Baha'i, Atheist, Agnostic, or
whatever. No; the replica was it; nothing else would suffice to save their lives.

As an allegory, the brazen serpent indicates that Christ's crucifixion for the sins of
the world is the only God-given rescue from the wrath of God; and when people
accept it, then according to John 3:14-17 and John 5:24, they qualify for a transfer
from death into life. Those who reject his crucifixion as the only God-given rescue
from the sum of all fears, are already on the docket to face it.

John 3:18 . .Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not
believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of
God's one and only Son.

In context His son's "name" is relative to the brazen serpent incident.

NOTE: Safety via Jesus' crucifixion is available upon request.

John 20:30-31 . . Jesus' disciples saw him do many other miraculous signs
besides the ones recorded in this book. But these are written so that you may
believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing in him you
may have life.

Find a quiet place, anywhere will do. Cover you face with your hands for a sense of
privacy and tell God you have never yet measured up to His standards and you're
pretty sure you never will. Tell Him you would like to take advantage of His son's
death; and then thank Him for His time.

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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2023, 03:00:16 PM »
The Sin Nature (a.k.a. The Flesh)

Jer 13:23a . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?

The answer to both those questions is of course "no" because when someone isborn
with black skin, it usually stays black; and if a cat is born with spotted fur,
it usually stays spotted. In other words: the color of an Ethiopian's skin, and the
spots on a leopard's fur, are typically indelible; i.e. permanent.

Jer 13:23b . . Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

The apostle Paul said something similar in Rom 7:7-24; which is pretty much
summed up in verse 18, which reads thus:

"I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh"

The Greek word for "flesh" basically indicates the meaty parts of either man or
beast; i.e. the body. The meaty parts of course consist of not only muscle and fat;
but also the organs and the brain and the nervous system along with the eyes, the
ears, and the tongue. Those are all "meaty" parts.

What Paul is saying in Rom 7:7-24 is that the human body has a will of its own, and
it quite naturally, and quite intrinsically, has a predilection for evil instead of good.
In other words; anyone who would be 100% righteous is in for a fight against
nature, i.e. a fight against their own self-- an inner conflict that can lead to a
mental disorder and/or a nervous breakdown.

Ironically, should someone manage to succeed in a war with themselves, in the
long run it will be for naught because all they will have done is suppress their
body's natural predilection for evil rather than get rid it.

When people do something contrary to their better judgment; it's very common to
hear them complain "I don't know what came over me." Well; the thing that came
over them was their own body exerting its fundamental dispositions and traits; viz:
the human body literally has a mind of its own; it constantly, and perpetually,
competes with its host for control of their thoughts, their speech, and their conduct,
and more often than not wins.

When I was a growing boy my dad was always telling me that I was my own worst
enemy. I think that maybe the apostle Paul would have agreed with my dad
because he too was his own worst enemy.

Rom 7:24 . .What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of

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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2023, 02:44:55 PM »
Eternal Life

Eternal life is often mistaken for immortality. The two are not the same.

Immortality is a tangible kind of life pertaining to a superhuman body with
perpetual youth.

Eternal life, on the other hand, is a spirit kind of life; which is why it's possible for
people to obtain eternal life prior to obtaining immortality.

For example: Christ had eternal life when he was here (John 5:26, 1John 1:1-2)
but according to Rom 6:9 and Rev 1:18, he didn't obtain immortality till he rose
from the dead.

Likewise Christ's believing followers have eternal life while they're here (John 5:24)
but according to Rom 8:23-25, 1Cor 15:51-53, and 1Thss 4:14-17 they won't
obtain immortality until their resurrections.

So then; I think we can safely conclude (in a nutshell) that immortality is
something that can be seen, while eternal life is something that cannot be seen.

The properties of eternal life are a little easier to understand when juxtaposed with
human life.

Human life was created.

Eternal life wasn't created.

There's a large variety of created life.

There is only one eternal life.

Human life's primary characteristic is human nature; roughly defined as the
fundamental dispositions and traits of the human being.

Eternal life's primary characteristic is divine nature, roughly defined as the
fundamental dispositions and traits of the supreme being.

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« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2023, 03:11:09 PM »
When To Obtain Eternal Life

Note the grammatical tense of the verb "have" in the passages below, It's in the
present tense; not future, indicating that believers have eternal life right now-- no
delay, and no waiting period.

John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life

John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and trust in God who
sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they
have already passed from Death into Life.

1John 5:13 . . I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of
God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

According to those passages, people lacking eternal life, are lacking it because 1)
they are unbelievers, 2) they are not paying attention to Christ's message, and 3)
they don't trust God.

The possession of eternal life is very crucial because according to God's testimony,
as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to Christianity; people lacking eternal
life do not have God's son. In other words: they are currently quite christless.

1John 5:11-12 . . This is what God has testified: He has given us eternal life, and
this life is in His son. So whoever has God's son has this life; and whosoever does
not have this life, does not have His son.

People that argue with God's testimony, are insinuating that He not only doesn't
know what He's talking about, but also that God is a dishonest person of marginal
integrity who can't be trusted to tell the truth.

1John 5:10 . .Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar by not believing
the testimony God has given about His son.

When people do that-- when they insinuate that God is dishonest --they imply that
He belongs in Hell because according to Rev 21:8, perdition is where all liars are

Anyway; I should think that it goes without saying that christless people are in
grave danger of the sum of all fears.

Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to

FAQ: If believers have eternal life now, then why do they pass away just like
everybody else?

REPLY: Eternal life and immortality aren't the same things. The first pertains to
the characteristics of the core of one's being, whereas the second pertains to the
characteristics of one's body. Whereas believers have eternal life now, they won't
be immortal till later. (Rom 8:23-25)

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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2023, 03:14:44 PM »
Christ's Human Origin

Luke 1:31-33 . . Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you
shall name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and
the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule over the
house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.

Jesus' genealogy is relatively unimportant to the average Gentile, whereas very
important to Jews because only David's biological posterity qualifies to ascend his
throne and govern the land of Israel.

Ps 89:4-5 . . I have made a covenant with my chosen one; I have sworn to David
my servant: I will make your dynasty stand forever and establish your throne
through all ages.

Ps 89:36-38 . . By my holiness I swore once for all: I will never be false to David.
His dynasty will continue forever, his throne, like the sun before me. Like the moon
it will stand eternal, forever firm like the sky!

  Ps132:11 . .The Lord swore an oath to David in truth, He will never turn back
from it: ?Your own offspring I will set upon your throne."

It's actually a fairly simple task to prove Jesus' biological connection to David.

Rom 1:3 . . . His son; descended from David according to the flesh

The Greek word translated "descendant" in that passage is a bit ambiguous because
it can refer to spiritual posterity as well as to biological; for example:

Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham?s descendant,

That descendant is obviously spiritual; whereas David's is biological because it's
"according to the flesh" i.e. his physical human body.

* Seeing as Jesus' dad Joseph played no role in his son's conception, and his wife
Mary was a virgin at the time, then Jesus' biological connection to David defaults
thru his mother.

Now, the thing is: if true that Mary's baby is David's biological posterity, and if true
that David is Adam's biological posterity; then it must be that Jesus too is Adam's
biological posterity, viz: Jesus' human origin was the very dust with which the
human race was constructed in the very beginning per Genesis 2:7

FAQ: From whence did baby Jesus obtain a Y chromosome for his male gender?

REPLY: In the beginning, Eve's entire body-- inside and out, front to back, top to
bottom, and side to side --was constructed with material taken from Adam's body.
(Gen 2:21-22) So if God could construct an entire woman from material taken from
a man's body, then it shouldn't be too difficult for Him to construct a teensy little
chromosome from a woman's body.

Seeing as how Eve is the mother of all women (Gen 3:20 & Acts 17:26) then any
material taken from Mary's body to construct a Y chromosome for baby Jesus would
be owed to Eve's body; and by construction: Adam's body.

The beauty of it is that a Y chromosome constructed with material taken from
Mary's body wouldn't be an alien substance created ex nihilo; but would be 100%
natural, and easily traceable all the way back to Eve, and from thence to the very
dust that was used to construct Adam's body.

I sincerely believe that what I suggest herein actually took place when the power of
the Most High overshadowed Jesus' mom per Luke 1:35; and if my suggestion is
true, then little Jesus was thoroughly a Jew-- biologically descended not only from
David and Abraham as all other Jews, but also from the Man that God created in
the book of Genesis.

Heb 2:17 . . He had to be made like his brethren in every way.

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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2023, 02:53:44 PM »
The Big Extraction

The so-called rapture terminates the church age with an impossible-to-ignore wake
up call. Assuming the event is true to happen; then I've no doubt the world over
will be awestruck and very badly shaken by the number of dead folks coming back
to life seemingly out of thin air. We're talking about nigh unto 2,000 years of
Christians from every era since the days of Christ. That has to be a significant

1Thess 4:16a . . For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud
command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God

The only archangel named in the New Testament is Michael (Jude 9) However,
according to Daniel 10:13 there's more than one archangel so I think it would be a
mistake to insist the archangel's voice in 1Thess 4:16 is Michael's.

The trumpet call of God is possibly relative to Rev 1:10-18. (cf. 1Cor 15:52)

1Thess 4:16b . . and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

* That incident is usually omitted from dramatized versions of the event.

"in Christ" is limited to folks who've undergone the Spirit's supernatural initiation
rite per 1Cor 12:13 and Eph 1:13.

1Thess 4:17 . . .Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together
with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,

That scene would be easier to picture were the Earth flat, but it's a huge sphere. So
when those folks are taken up into the sky, I suspect they will form a sort of human
Oort Cloud all 'round the world at first.

Their exact rendezvous location with the Lord is a bit of a mystery. It's been
suggested they'll actually pass up thru the clouds and their assembly with the Lord
"in the air" will take place above them.

FAQ: What if there are no clouds in some areas?

REPLY: The extraction is a miraculous event. I think we can safely assume there
will be adequate high altitude weather conditions for that one special day.

* Folks left behind will very likely find themselves in immediate danger as wide
spread chaos, confusion, fear, and calamity are happy hunting grounds for
insurrection, looters, vandalism, hoarders, financial panic, and violent riots.


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