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FAQ
« on: June 13, 2023, 04:38:56 PM »
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I've been active on nigh unto fifty internet forums and message boards since going
online back in 1997 when we purchased our first internet-capable computer. We
had dial-up service then, and 1.44 mb mini floppys were still a common storage
medium. The machine didn't have an optical drive so we had to connect it to an
external CD unit, and eventually a ZIP drive too. It would be a while yet before
computers were offered with factory installed CD/DVD drives like they are now, and
USB flash media was still in development. I gotta say: thumb drives are the cat's
meow: they're small, they're silent, and they hold lots of data.

Anyway, starting today, I'm addressing a number of common concerns we've
encountered online in the past twenty-six years.

Buen Camino
Pleasant Journey
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Re: FAQ
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2023, 04:45:46 PM »
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Days

There's at least three kinds of days described in the first two chapters of Genesis.

There's creation days. (Gen 1:5)

Natural days (Gen 1:14-18)

And nondescript days that span years. (Gen 2:4)

The covenant that Moses' people entered into with God contains a number of
liturgical days, i.e. holy days of obligation. These can be a bit confusing because
they're 24-hour amalgams of night and day that begin and end at sunset. For
example Passover 2023 fell on April 6th but actually commenced on the 5th at
sunset.

Jumping ahead to the New Testament we find that the Jews' civil days were
regulated by so-called temporal hours which, when Jesus was here, defined days
as twelve hour periods beginning at 06:am and ending at 06:pm. (John 11:9-10)

Those are interesting hours because at certain times of the year, daytime began
before the Sun was up. For example when the women went out to Jesus' grave, it
was daytime before they arrived though yet still dark outside; which leads some
folks to insist that Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life at night. Well yes;
according to the Sun it was night, but according to civil time, it was day. That one's
tricky.
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Re: FAQ
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2023, 04:27:47 PM »
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The Image And Likeness Of God

According to Gen 5:3 and Heb 1:1-3, image and likeness basically refers to
progeny, i.e. offspring.

But Man didn't come into being via procreation, rather; Man was constructed, viz:
Man exists as God's handiwork sort of like how Geppetto made for himself a little
wooden son named Pinocchio.

God and Man have quite a few things in common, but along with those are some
significant differences. Man is a creature of design, whereas God's origin is currently
unknown; and God is spirit whereas Man is physical. In other words; were God to
actually reproduce, He would give birth to more of Himself, i.e. He'd give birth to a
spirit child rather than a physical child.

It's likely best to reckon that "image and likeness" indicates an endowed status
rather than intrinsic characteristics, viz: it's positional rather than actual; and this
particular position was given no other forms of natural life but Man; which
established his supremacy in the cosmos.

Gen 1:28 . . And God blessed them, and God said unto them: Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of
the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves upon
the earth.

* In the Jan/Feb 2023 issue of Discovery magazine, p.64, are two articles related to
nature's right to exist. The most comical detail of all is New Zealand and
Bangladesh declaring personhood for rivers. If this keeps up, there's likely coming a
day when a walk in the woods will be considered trespassing if folks don't first
obtain permission from the trees.
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Re: FAQ
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2023, 01:29:08 PM »
Hi Outwest
Thank you for your post if we want to know what man in the image fo God looks like we need to look as Israel who is Gods son.

    Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt   

So if Israel is Gods son then he would be the image of his Father God as I see it Moses would represent God Aaron would represent Christ  the tribe of Levi would represent the church and the rest of the tribes the children of God so here we have man (mankind) in the image of God.

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Re: FAQ
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2023, 01:48:36 PM »
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Non Binary

The non binary political movement consists of people who shun labeling their
gender as either male or female, and prefer to speak of themselves with neutral
pronouns, for example: it, its, that, they, and them.

I've no reservations whatsoever that humanity's creator regards non gender people
as freaks of nature; in other words: non gender people are not of His making
because His making was two genders: male and female.

Gen 1:27 . . God created Man in his own image, in the image of God created He
him; male and female created He them.

Matt 19:4 . . Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning made
them male and female?

If people can't agree with humanity's creator on something as elementary as their
gender designations as per Gen 1:27 and Matt 19:4, then I have to assume that
they disagree with Him on many other issues far more important than that.

There's a term for people unable to accept themselves as the person they really
are. I think it might be called Dissociative Disorder. Political correctness requires
that they be "included" but God-honoring Christian churches dare not accept into
their membership roles someone known to be non binary.

1Cor 5:6 . . . Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump

Heb 12:15 . . See to it that no one misses the grace of God, and that no bitter
root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

A bitter root is one belonging to a species unfit for human consumption. When you
find noxious vegetation sprouting in your garden, you've got to get out there with a
hoe and dig that stuff up before it spreads out of control.

FYI: Hebrews 12:15 doesn't apply to the world at large. It only applies to the
official membership roles of a Christian congregation, i.e. non binary folk can come
to church on Sunday and listen to the choir and the pastor's sermon as visitors if
they like; no harm in that.

Prince Rogers Nelson (a.k.a. Prince the entertainer) at one time decided he didn't
want to be known by a name spelled with letters and so created an
unpronounceable symbol for himself; but of course he continued to be known as
Prince.

Point being: though non binary people wish not to be described as boys and girls
and/or men and women and/or males and females, nor referred to by gender
specific pronouns; they are still seen that way by everybody else. The quest to
disown their gender is not only a fight against God, nature, and common sense, but
also a fight against society. They might succeed in gaining a measure of legal
protection; but never in a million years will they gain people's honest respect;
which is a very good reason to disqualify non binary folk applying for offices in a
Christian church.

1Tim 3:7 . . He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will
not fall into disgrace and into the Devil's trap.

A non binary Christian church elder would be seen by the world as a bona fide
hypocrite; which can be roughly defined as somebody who should be standing for
the Bible but at heart does not care to live by it. With a church officer like that; you
couldn't help but wonder where else they've compromised the faith.

Titus 1:7-9 . . He must be blameless, as the steward of God . . holding fast the
faithful word as he has been taught.
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Re: FAQ
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2023, 02:38:23 PM »
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Big Daddy

The Phylogenetic Tree Of Life is an interesting scientific diagram that traces all
forms of life back to a singular genetic heritage regardless of species. In other
words; if you started with a raccoon, and followed its branch down the tree far
enough, you'd eventually intersect with another branch that you could then trace to
mushrooms. The tree is sort of the equivalent of a Big Bang of living things.

The branch on that tree that interests me the most is the one that traces human
life. According to the diagram; any two people you might select-- no matter what
their age, race, or gender --if traced back far enough, can eventually be linked to a
common ancestor; which of course is no surprise to Bible students.

Gen 2:21-23 . .The Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he
slept; then He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh at that place. And the
God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought
her to the man. And the man said: This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my
flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

The Hebrew for "rib" in that passage is tsela' (tsay-law') and Gen 2:21-23 contains
the only two places in the entire Old Testament where it's translated with an
English word representing a skeletal bone. In the other twenty-nine places, it's
translated "side"

In other words: Eve wasn't constructed directly from the dust of the earth as was
Adam. She was constructed from a human tissue sample amputated from Adam's
body; ergo: Eve's flesh and bone were derived from Adam's flesh and bone;
consequently any and all human life produced by Eve's flesh and bone-- whether
naturally conceived or virgin conceived --is biologically traceable to Adam's flesh
and bone.

Gen 3:20 . . Adam named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all
people everywhere.

Acts 17:26 . . He made from one man every variety of mankind to live on all the
face of the earth

So then, it was the creator's deliberate design that all human life be biologically
related to a sole source of human life-- the one and only human life that God
created directly from the earth's dust; viz: Mr. Adam. (Gen 2:7)
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Re: FAQ
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2023, 05:18:38 PM »
Hi Outwest
So what dose man in Gode image look like what dose the scriptures say.

   21  And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

 22  And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. note

 23  And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. note note

 24  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.       


It seams Adam and eve became one so is this man in the image of God it seams to me the story of the first Adam and the last Adam are the same Christ died went into a deep sleep  from his side came the water and the blood from these Christ's bride was created its the same story for the first and last Adam.
Man in the image of God is Christ when he is joined to his bride the church and they become one at his return.

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Re: FAQ
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2023, 02:55:53 PM »
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Crops

Gen 3:17-19 . .To Adam He said: Because you have listened to the voice of your
wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying you shall
not eat from it; cursed is the ground because of you. In toil you shall eat of it all
the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; and you shall
eat the plants of the field.

There's a subtle suggestion in that passage. It's possible that where previously Adam
could survive exclusively on fruit, at this point his body underwent a change that
required him to eat a variety of herbs, greens, vegetables, and cereals. In other
words: in future, his health would depend very heavily upon nutrition from things
not only grown in trees but also grown in the ground.

Gen 3:19 . . By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread

The Hebrew word for bread is somewhat ambiguous. It can relate to bakery
products, but more often it just pertains to edible foodstuffs, i.e. victuals.

Adam became faced with reluctant soil that if left fallow, wouldn't grow vegetation
fit for human consumption, rather, it needs plowing, sowing, and weeding, i.e.
cultivation. Prior to the curse, natural foods were likely abundant. But that natural
abundance is gone. If Adam wanted them in any sizable amount, he would have to
farm; and he would have to do battle with nature to succeed.

Those of us who live in 9 to 5 leisure-intensive America really don't appreciate just
how laborious and time consuming the work is to grow your own food. Early
humanity's days were hard. They're still hard in many developing countries,
whereas here in the USA only about 2% work the soil for a living.

* The curse on the soil is scheduled to be eliminated. (Amos 9:13, Rev 22:3)
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