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The Messiah and the 3 days and 3 nights of Matthew 12:40?
« on: June 11, 2023, 03:48:49 PM »
When responding to the Pharisees' request for a sign from the Messiah, why do you suppose He made the specific point that He would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights?  Is there something meaningful about that time period?

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Re: The Messiah and the 3 days and 3 nights of Matthew 12:40?
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2023, 08:01:21 PM »
When responding to the Pharisees' request for a sign from the Messiah, why do you
suppose He made the specific point that He would be in the heart of the earth for 3
days and 3 nights?  Is there something meaningful about that time period?

The sign is quite useless when Jonah is omitted.

Jonah 1:17 . . The Lord provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was
inside the fish three days and three nights.

FAQ: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

REPLY: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

FAQ: The whole time?

REPLY: No; at some point in his nautical adventure Jonah went to a place called
sheol (Jonah 2:2) which he located at the roots of the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

Well; the roots of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, nor are they
located under the sea, rather: they're located underground deep in the Earth. So,
the only way that Jonah could possibly be at the roots of the mountains while
simultaneously in the belly of a fish was for the man and his body to part company
and go their separate ways. This is not impossible because according to Matt 10:28
people's souls don't always die along with their body.

Also, the language of Jonah's prayer strongly suggests that he was restored to life,
i.e. resurrected.

Jonah 2:6 . . I descended to the roots of the mountains. The earth with its bars
was around me forever, But Thou hast brought up my life from the pit, O Lord my
God.

The Hebrew word for "pit" basically pertains to holes in the ground, but sometimes
speaks of putrefaction too, e.g. Ps 16:8-10 & Acts 2:25-31.

Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains weren't laid to rest in the heart of the
Earth; and in point of fact they weren't even buried in the Earth's soil. They were
laid to rest up on the surface of the earth in a rock-hewn tomb. So the only way
that Jesus could be on the surface of the Earth and within its bowels at the same
time was for he and his body to part company and go their separate ways the same
as Jonah's did.
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Re: The Messiah and the 3 days and 3 nights of Matthew 12:40?
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2023, 06:47:52 PM »
The sign is quite useless when Jonah is omitted.



But why specifically 3 days and 3 nights?  Is there something special about that length of time?

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Re: The Messiah and the 3 days and 3 nights of Matthew 12:40?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2023, 11:22:51 PM »
Over 3 days Jewish beliefs is the soul has left the body....dead.

Which makes Jonah, Lazarus, Jesus stand out.
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Re: The Messiah and the 3 days and 3 nights of Matthew 12:40?
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2023, 01:00:01 PM »
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Why can't we jest believe the words of our Lord Jesus Christ which are

    For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:40 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.12.40.ESV     


We don't need to prove Gods word  jest believe it.

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Re: The Messiah and the 3 days and 3 nights of Matthew 12:40?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2023, 03:23:03 PM »
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But why specifically 3 days and 3 nights?  Is there something special about
that length of time?

According to Acts 2:25-32 and Psalm 16:8-11, it was predicted that Jesus
would not undergo putrefaction. Well; if John 11:39 can be used as a hint,
then had Jesus remained deceased any longer than three days, the
prediction would've failed.

NOTE: A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus wasn't dead for a
full three days and nights. i.e. 72 hours. In point of fact the texts indicate
his crucified dead body was restored to life on the third day rather than after
the third was over and done with.

Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed
into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be
raised again.

Matt 20:18-19 . . Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall
be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall
condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to
scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man
is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he
is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Luke 9:22 . .The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by
the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.

Luke 18:33 . . He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him,
insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise
again.

Luke 24:5-8 . . In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to
the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you look for the living among
the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he
was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must be delivered into the
hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again."

Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these
things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us
astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his
body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which
said that he was alive.

Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behooved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day

John 2:19 . . Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple, and
in three days I will raise it up.

Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day

1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day
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Re: The Messiah and the 3 days and 3 nights of Matthew 12:40?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2023, 03:45:41 PM »
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Why can't we jest believe the words of our Lord Jesus Christ which are (Matt 12:40)
We don't need to prove Gods word  jest believe it.

While true we need not prove the truth of Matt 12:40, I do believe that we should
at least get our facts straight about it.

For example: when I was a young inexperienced Christian, a guy at work asked
me-- in a mocking tone --how I get three days and three nights between Friday
afternoon and Sunday morning. I was very humiliated by his question because I
could not produce an intelligent response.
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Re: The Messiah and the 3 days and 3 nights of Matthew 12:40?
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2023, 12:42:57 PM »
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According to Acts 2:25-32 and Psalm 16:8-11, it was predicted that Jesus
would not undergo putrefaction. Well; if John 11:39 can be used as a hint,
then had Jesus remained deceased any longer than three days, the
prediction would've failed.



But why specifically 3 days and 3 nights?  If avoiding putrefaction was the issue, why not 2 days and 2nights? Or 1 day and 1 night?

 

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