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About Reconciliation
« on: May 24, 2023, 12:29:49 AM »
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Gen 32:6-7 . . The messengers returned to Jacob, saying: We came to your
brother Esau, and furthermore he is coming to meet you, and four hundred men
are with him. Then Jacob was greatly afraid and distressed

Long story short: roughly twenty years previous, Jacob tricked his father Isaac into
giving him a blessing intended for Esau; which caused bad blood between the
brothers.

Gen 27:41-42 . . So Esau bore a grudge against Jacob because of the blessing
with which his father had blessed him; and Esau said to himself: The days of
mourning for my father are near; then I will kill my brother Jacob.

But Jacob fled to the land of Rebecca's brother Laban before Esau had a chance to
act. So, here we are twenty years later and God has ordered Jacob to return. So;
Jacob arranged a peace offering if perchance it might reconcile their differences.

Gen 32:13-15 . .Then he selected from what he had with him a present for his
brother Esau: two hundred female goats and twenty male goats, two hundred ewes
and twenty rams, thirty milking camels and their colts, forty cows and ten bulls,
twenty female donkeys and ten male donkeys.

God did something similar with us; only in reverse, viz: in our situation God the
offended party would be Esau, and we the offending party would be Jacob; only it
would be God reaching out with a peace offering instead of Jacob and the offering
would've really gone the extra mile because God offered us His own next of kin, i.e.
His one and only heir apparent; thus proving how anxious God is to restore peace
between Himself and mankind.

John 3:16-17 . . For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son,
that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God did
not send His son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be
spared through him.

1John 4:10 . . This is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent
His son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

2Cor 5:18-19 . . God reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the
ministry of reconciliation, to wit: that God was reconciling the world to Himself in
Christ, not counting men's sins against them. (cf. Rom 5:10, 1Cor 5:18, and Col
1:21)
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Re: About Reconciliation
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2023, 09:31:01 PM »
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FAQ: If God is reconciled with mankind via the crucifixion of His one and only
descendant, then how is it that numbers of folk will end up in the lake of fire depicted at
Rev 20:11-15, and others banished to outer darkness per Matt 8:11-12?

REPLY: This requires an RSVP, viz: Christ was a peace offering, i.e. a gift. Well; if it's agreeable,
then speak up and tell God so that He can put your acceptance on record.

* You know; we're talking about the torture death of God's next of kin here; His heir
apparent. Don't turn Him down. To do so would be an insufferable act of ingratitude.
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Re: About Reconciliation
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2023, 03:10:25 PM »
Reconciliation  between man and God,
Man cannot by his efforts bridge the gap between himself and God.
                   Reconciliation can only be done, not on man's terms or by man's efforts, but only on God's terms and by God.

This is what sinful man does not understand.  Salvation by works is man/the devil's idea.

The idea that we must humble  admit we are wrong, that we must actually  be sorry  for our deeds is repulsive  to man.

It is as difficult an idea to get across to sinners as the idea to Christians that forgiveness  is conditional  on repentance.

Reconciliation  is all of God.

He closes who will be saved, he se ds the Spirit to awaken there spiritual awareness,  it is God who app.ies forgiveness when the sinner Confesses and accepts Jesus as saviour.
None of this is by man's effort.


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Re: About Reconciliation
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2023, 12:29:58 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your post  you said

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    Reconciliation  between man and God,
Man cannot by his efforts bridge the gap between himself and God.
                   Reconciliation can only be done, not on man's terms or by man's efforts,

This is incorrect because

    Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.       

We must repent this is something we must do God can't do it for us then we have

     Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.     

Believing is something we must do and getting baptised isour decisions believing is dependant on studying Gods word so there is quite a lot thats dependant on us God has made salvation possible but we have to do our part for it to be realised.

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Re: About Reconciliation
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2023, 03:36:16 PM »
Dave,
              Repentance and believing does not reconcile man to God.
Only Jesus's death and resurrection reconciles us with God.

As Ephesians 2 :8from God.
We don't generate, make or in any way form the faith/belief in Jesus that saves us.

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Re: About Reconciliation
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2023, 06:17:25 PM »
Hi John
So what you are saying if I am understanding you correctly is we don't  need to do anything jest put our feet up and take it easy and God will save us I don't need to read the bible or contemplate God's  word if God wants to save me if not I will be consigned to the lake of fire.

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      Only Jesus's death and resurrection reconciles us with God       

This is very true but there are certain conditions we have to fulfill to take advantage of this wonderful free gift

Love and Peace
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Re: About Reconciliation
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2023, 08:13:27 AM »
Dave,
            You are showing that you do not understand fully what the bible teaches or what Christianity has taught about salvation.

Yes we can do Nothing to earn, gain or deserve salvation. As Paul put it, 'All our righteousness is like used toilet paper' but he also writes about train ourselves, about being olympic athletes ready to compete or like soldiers equipped and prepared standing in the battle line. These illustrations show we have work to do to be able to serve our saviour.

Yes there re conditions which you said in an earlier post, repentance, belief and acceptance are three things we have to do and we go on to as Jesus said, ' If we Love him we will obey him'

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Re: About Reconciliation
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2023, 10:58:45 AM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply you said

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      You are showing that you do not understand fully what the bible teaches or what Christianity has taught about salvation   

Are you inferring that you do understand everything in scripture and I should believe everything you say as for what Christianity teaches is of little interest to me I'm more interested in what God and Christ has to say I know this is true and can be trusted 100% I do not believe that anyone understands all of Gods word there's always something more to know so lets keep reading and digging.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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