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Offline davetaff

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2022, 01:24:24 PM »
A slave has no freewill, no ability to choose.

No one willingly leaves the sins they love.

Every Christian was freed by Jesus from the chains of the devil.

Why do you think God choose us before he created, because if he didn't choose us, we would never choose him.

Hi John
Thank you for your post but slaves do have freewill to choose to be a Christian and to choose freedom if they have opportunity.

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      Why do you think God choose us before he created, because if he didn't choose us, we would never choose him.       

I don't think God chose all believers before the creation but only those that he used to spread his word all the prophets and Apostles these comprise the bride of Christ.
The rest of believers have chosen God through Christ to choose we must have freewill

    Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever     

For man to be in the image of God we must have the knowledge of good and evil and choose the good of our own freewill.
And the best way to reject evil is through love.

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2022, 10:49:15 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your post but slaves do have freewill to choose to be a Christian and to choose freedom if they have opportunity.

I don't think God chose all believers before the creation but only those that he used to spread his word all the prophets and Apostles these comprise the bride of Christ.
The rest of believers have chosen God through Christ to choose we must have freewill

    Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever     

For man to be in the image of God we must have the knowledge of good and evil and choose the good of our own freewill.
And the best way to reject evil is through love.

Love and Peace
Dave



Sorry Dave,
         You are ignoring  the p.ane words of scripture.
Read Ephesians  1 v 4 + 5, where it clearly says we were chosen before creation, that we where predestined  to be children of God.

We did not chose God he chose us.

As slaves of the devil, as slaves addicted to sin, as slaves in love with the pleasures of sin we did not want to leave.

I am sorry  Dave, but you do not remember what it was to be a loving slave of the devil, nor do you understand the power and love of God in savi g us.
These two aspects always go together.

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2022, 04:46:05 AM »
It does not the word or phrase freewill does not exist in the hebrew langauge it conception does not exist. But still to choose " לבחור" It is what closest word to freewill of choosing is.

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2022, 10:47:03 AM »
It does not the word or phrase freewill does not exist in the hebrew langauge it conception does not exist. But still to choose " לבחור" It is what closest word to freewill of choosing is.

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H5071
Original: נדבה

Transliteration: nedâbâh

Phonetic: ned-aw-baw'

BDB Definition:

voluntariness, free-will offering
voluntariness
freewill, voluntary, offering
Origin: from H5068

TWOT entry: 1299a

Part(s) of speech: Noun Feminine

Strong's Definition: From H5068; properly (abstractly) spontaneity, or (adjectively) spontaneous ; also (concretely) a spontaneous or (by inference, in plural) abundant gift: - free (-will) offering, freely, plentiful, voluntary (-ily, offering), willing (-ly, offering).       


Freewill offering seams to fit OK

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2022, 11:28:33 AM »
Sorry Dave,
         You are ignoring  the p.ane words of scripture.
Read Ephesians  1 v 4 + 5, where it clearly says we were chosen before creation, that we where predestined  to be children of God.

We did not chose God he chose us.

As slaves of the devil, as slaves addicted to sin, as slaves in love with the pleasures of sin we did not want to leave.

I am sorry  Dave, but you do not remember what it was to be a loving slave of the devil, nor do you understand the power and love of God in savi g us.
These two aspects always go together.

Hi John
Thank you for your post I belive those chosen are all the old testament saints and the Apostles but the rest of us are called and must choose to love God and love each other to love is a freewill choice if God chooses us it is not a freewill choice.

    Matthew 22
 1  And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

 2  The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

 3  And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

 4  Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

 5  But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

 6  And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

 7  But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

 8  Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

 9  Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

 10  So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

 11  And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

 12  And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

 13  Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 14  For many are called, but few are chose       


This parable is telling us it was Israel that was chosen and rejected the invitation so Gods invitation was given to the rest of the world through the preaching of the gospel we have been called but not chosen we must choose to love God and our neighbours

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Dave

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2022, 04:04:08 PM »
It does not the word or phrase freewill does not exist in the hebrew langauge it conception does not exist. But still to choose " לבחור" It is what closest word to freewill of choosing is.
Words not found in the bible, trinity, dinosaur,  computer,  spaceship,  member of Parliament  sultan, emir.
Just a few non biblical words that can now be found in Hebrew.

To say that just because a word, concept or thing is not found in biblical Hebrew and so does not exist  is nonsense.

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2022, 04:06:15 PM »
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      Quote Thank you for your post I belive those chosen are all the old testament saints and the Apostles but the rest of us are called and must choose to love God and love each other to love is a freewill choice if God chooses us it is not a freewill choice. Unquote.
Paul is address new test christian, saying they were chosen before creation.
What Paul says to them applies to us.

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2022, 03:36:31 AM »
but free does not exit with it and it does not mean the same thing in modern times. Liberals, democracy, and tea party do not mean the same thing in old time hebrew and wouldn't mean that.

People the question do we have freewill ? is it biblical ?


Their is no word in hebrew that is freewill you need to put 2 hebrews for that and the concept is that they have A decision and choice to do good or evil and God gave it. Question did the enemy had A choice becaus of his rebellion. I don't like the devil and do not want to say but he had A choice and he did bad and good. The nature of good and evil or conscience of existence the choice ? People just make things more simple just do good and put things in God's hands and he will make your choice over the path he gave the power to move it and do good not bad.

 

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