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Offline michaelgabriel88

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2022, 07:28:50 PM »
Free and will do exist but to make in concept it is need the thing of freedom and good and evil the conscience to be able in hebrew in writting but they cuould not explain they did not have the experience of government,freedom of women, freedom of slavery, and concept of theology were needed but still the base is that choice by God to be with him in doing good or evil but consequence is death for evil or eternal life for good.


Their is gray area and that is Elijah's error, Moses Error, and Huldah as prophets that they made mistakes and change the destiny of the plan of God but God cover it with forgivness and let them learn from thier errors for A purpose and all purpose being good or evil will be in the end A happy ending in revelations. Put things in God hands and put love they God and nieghbor and he will do the rest ;D.

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2022, 12:19:27 AM »
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so who is "Hudah"

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2022, 05:13:35 AM »
She is A prophet  2 Kings 22:14?20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22?28.

Find her in the bible ;D.

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2022, 06:38:12 PM »
Quote "  that is Elijah's error, Moses Error, and Huldah as prophets that they made mistakes and change the destiny of the plan of God  " unquote.
Please suppy chapter and verse for these claims.

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2022, 04:30:25 AM »
Moses was told to pray to the rock and not hit it he made A mistake

Num 20:9-12
9 So Moses took the staff from the Lord?s presence, just as he commanded him. 10 He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, ?Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?? 11 Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.

12 But the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, ?Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them.?

Hulda's error

Some individuals claim to be prophets of God. Yet, they admit that they have prophesies of things that did not come to pass. They defend themselves by claiming that the prophetess Huldah in 2 Chronicles 34:28 made a mistake. She made a false prophecy. She said King Josiah would die peacefully.  Then they claim King Josiah was killed in battle by arrows according to 2 Chronicles 35:22-24. That is, he did not die ?in peace.? The question we are concerned with is, ?Do prophets of God sometimes make mistakes?? This brief study examines the prophecy of Huldah and its fulfillment as recorded in 2 Chronicles 35:22-24.

and  Elijah's error

He said that ahab will be killed at A place but died in another place and did not die like the guy Naboth died and got stolen his vineyard he died in another place. An error what ELijah said.
1 Kings 22:37-40
his death was not in the same place
1 Kings 21:1-16

and Hulda's error

Some individuals claim to be prophets of God. Yet, they admit that they have prophesies of things that did not come to pass. They defend themselves by claiming that the prophetess Huldah in 2 Chronicles 34:28 made a mistake. She made a false prophecy. She said King Josiah would die peacefully.  Then they claim King Josiah was killed in battle by arrows according to 2 Chronicles 35:22-24. That is, he did not die ?in peace.? The question we are concerned with is, ?Do prophets of God sometimes make mistakes?? This brief study examines the prophecy of Huldah and its fulfillment as recorded in 2 Chronicles 35:22-24.

like the kings of Israel many did bad things like Saul who was ordered to kill all but change the path of destiny people. all our actions being small or being big matter. And specially the ones in the bible and show that they did wrong and use wrong the power of G-d. To error is human but God did not do this error but humans do because humans are animals like eccliasastes said we are animals because we are borned like animals and act like animals and everything else is pure vanity. We do not deserve anything from G-d but still even though we error and the plan of God moves from it's direction by their errors God puts it back in that direction and continues even though our errors.

We have all purposes and in the end will work for good and make the plan of God true. Love is the plan.

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2022, 08:10:27 AM »
Hulda's error

Some individuals claim to be prophets of God. Yet, they admit that they have prophesies of things that did not come to pass. They defend themselves by claiming that the prophetess Huldah in 2 Chronicles 34:28 made a mistake. She made a false prophecy. She said King Josiah would die peacefully.  Then they claim King Josiah was killed in battle by arrows according to 2 Chronicles 35:22-24. That is, he did not die ?in peace.? The question we are concerned with is, ?Do prophets of God sometimes make mistakes?? This brief study examines the prophecy of Huldah and its fulfillment as recorded in 2 Chronicles 35:22-24.

and  Elijah's error

He said that ahab will be killed at A place but died in another place and did not die like the guy Naboth died and got stolen his vineyard he died in another place. An error what ELijah said.
1 Kings 22:37-40
his death was not in the same place
1 Kings 21:1-16


Huldah meant that Josuah would not die under God's judgement: "Your eyes will not see all the disaster I am going to bring on this place." (II Kings 22:20)

And Elijah's prophecy was changed by God after he had pronounced it, because Ahab repented (I Kings 21:29). You might just as well say that Isaiah was a false prophet because he prophesied King Hezekiah's death, but because Hezekiah pleaded with God he was granted another 15 years of life! (I Kings 20:1-6)
"Since you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (Colossians 3:1)

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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2022, 10:13:32 AM »
The only one who do not have freewill is those chosen by God they will do Gods will even if they don't want take Jonah he tried to do a runner but God brought him back.
I don't think any of those chosen were perfect or sinless take st Paul he was a persecuter of the church God choose whom he chooses and if you are chosen you do the will of God you have no choice.
The rest of us are called by those who are chosen and we must use our freewill to choose to love God and our neighbours.

Love and Peace
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Re: Do we have freewill or is it biblical ?
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2022, 09:03:15 PM »
see in those times Deborah isn't how we talk and our way of talking if you see the hebrew it means in a different way. Hulda made prophecy like Elijah who said he was the last one from Israel and God said their were more 7,000 faithful to him 1 Kings 19:9-18. Moses made mistake know that the ways of the ancient isn't how we people of today talk but still. They make errors and Elijah,Moses and A lot of kings did made mistakes in destiny and desitny is change but still the plan of God continues.

 

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