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Re: Evolution
« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2022, 12:27:38 PM »

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Hi Primrose
Thank you for your reply I would jest like to say I to believe that God created man in his image in 6 days and then rested is perfectly correct and what I believe.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2022, 04:33:23 PM »

Where dose one start how about

      But Jesus answered them, ?My Father is working until now, and I am working.?
John 5:17 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.5.17.ESV     


This means that the Father has not rested so would support the fact that he had been working a long time how long ??

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God rested on the seventh "day" of creation because "He had finished the work He had been doing." (Genesis 2:2)
And yet, as you point out, Jesus said that He continues to work. For how long? Ever since He made the world, however long that is!

There is no contradiction if we recognise that the nature of His work has changed. Planet Earth (along with its inhabitants) has been "up and running" for billions of years. What God does is keep it running. He tinkers, and He tweaks. The Bible is full of God's activity through the ages - He hasn't been doing nothing at all! He answers prayer. Sometimes we notice Him doing very unusual things, which we call miracles. More often the things He does are so subtle that we really aren't aware of them at all. And the Son works alongside the Father: "He sustains all things by His powerful word." (Hebrews 1:3)

Genesis tells you God rested...as in a 'it's happened' thing.

The writer of Hebrews confirms that. God's "rest" is a present state that we are being invited to share in. See Hebrews 4:9-11 We look forward to a perpetual "sabbath", when the labour and struggles of our present life will be over. (Revelation 14:13) But I suspect that we won't be inactive in the world to come - there will be plenty for us to do on the new earth!
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2022, 06:47:45 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for you reply you said

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    God rested on the seventh "day" of creation because "He had finished the work He had been doing." (Genesis       

God finished his creation with man in his image the only one who fits the bill is Jesus Christ the first Adam died in the flood the second Adam Israel died when they crucified their Messiah and as stated in scripture Christ is the last Adam and he will be completed when he is united with his bride this is man in the image of God as stated

     1  God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

 2  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

 3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high                       


Christ is the son of God and so is Israel

   Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. View more

Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son       


Both are Gods son and as such would be in the image of God their Father

So God began work here

     1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth     

And won't be finished till he has finished the creation of man in his image Jesus Christ

One human male is not in the image of God

So how long has this creation taken we don't know could well be as long as evolutionists say but we don't know

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2022, 08:32:31 PM »
I'm sure we've gone over this before Dave.

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God finished his creation with man in his image the only one who fits the bill is Jesus Christ...
And won't be finished till he has finished the creation of man in his image Jesus Christ
This can't be right because Jesus Christ was not created. "Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made." (John 1:3)

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the first Adam died in the flood
This can't be right. Even if there are no gaps in the genealogy in Genesis 5, Adam still died over 700 years before the Flood!

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And won't be finished till he has finished the creation of man in his image Jesus Christ

One human male is not in the image of God

But Adam and Eve were created in the image of God. (Genesis 1:27)
And God seems to disagree with you in Genesis 9:6
And James says that all human beings are made in God's likeness (James 3:9)

And you seem to be contradicting yourself here!
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I would jest like to say I to believe that God created man in his image in 6 days and then rested

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Christ is the son of God and so is Israel...
Both are Gods son and as such would be in the image of God their Father
And so was Adam! (Luke 3:38)
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2022, 11:44:16 AM »
I'm sure we've gone over this before Dave.
This can't be right because Jesus Christ was not created. "Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made." (John 1:3)

thank you Deborah for a thought provoking post
this is very true but when Christ came into the world he came as a man of flesh and blood and would become the Head of the man in the image of God  the man of flesh must come first

                    Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil   



This can't be right. Even if there are no gaps in the genealogy in Genesis 5, Adam still died over 700 years before the Flood!

    but Adam was not one man he would have been created in the same way as Israel a whole host of people which whome the angels cohabited with so God destroyed the first Adam in the flood     
 
But Adam and Eve were created in the image of God. (Genesis 1:27)

Again I direct you attention to Israel God son created in the image of his Father Moses represents the Father Aaron represents christ and the levites represents the church the other 11 tribes represents the children this is man in Gods Image and the first Adam would have been created in the same manner and the last Adam for that matter


And God seems to disagree with you in Genesis 9:6

  6  Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man       

     Israel shed the blood of Christ and as a result Israel died the story of Cain and Able  fits in well here       


And James says that all human beings are made in God's likeness (James 3:9)

      With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God.
James 3:9 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/jas.3.9.ESV     


     Who are the people made in the likeness of God Israel if we take the vision of St Peter had in acts of the sheet full of wild animals representing the gentiles then the only people on earth in those days in gods eyes was Israelites       


Hi Primrose
Thank you for your reply I would jest like to say I to believe that God created man in his image in 6 days and then rested is perfectly correct and what I believe.

Love and Peace
Dave

And you seem to be contradicting yourself here!And so was Adam! (Luke 3:38)

       The 6 days I believe in are 1000 years long and begins with Noah the 7th day is Christs millennial reign     

      But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:8 ESV

For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night.
Psalm 90:4 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/psa.90.4.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2pe.3.8.ESV   


My contention is that the creation account in Genesis is primarily telling us about God creating man ( mankind) in his image which is Christ.

How dose this affect evolution what it dose is to put  what happens before the flood of no importance because the creation account is only about God creating man in his image and this is based on the creation account in Genesis.

A good example is the fourth day when God creates the sun moon and stars.
The sun represents Christ the light of the world
The moon the church the reflected light of the sun
The stars the children of God
This happend on the forth day after Noah.

Love and Peace
Dave


https://bible.com/bible/59/jas.3.9.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/psa.90.4.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2pe.3.8.ESV

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2022, 01:22:13 PM »
Hi Dave, you have made a mistake, the previous post you quoted from wasn't what I had written. Easily done  :D

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2022, 04:27:52 PM »
Dave...the 6 days of creation did NOT start with Noah, it was Adam.  Much of which still survived on the 'Ark' into this alleged 6 day creation you have translated literally, from Adams life and generation to Noahs. 

Whatever happened with Adam and Eve in the garden, when they were created, they were good. 

You cannot just sweep everything that occurred prior to the flood under the proverbial carpet because it does not fit your wanted beliefs. 

You quote Hebrews 2, go back to Hebrews 1 where it states God describing Jesus as God, of which through all things were made.  Note that through Christ you are seated at the right hand side of God.  Royally that is the Queens spot.  You are a part of the bride of Christ, of which He is the Head...

This all aside and I too an reluctant to go down this well trodden road again. 
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2022, 05:04:45 PM »
@davetaff

Dave, I can't carry on with this discussion. It just seems like an excuse to repeat your own beliefs over and over again. Your interpretations of the Bible may make sense to you, but to me they are fanciful, illogical, and self-contradictory. It seems that Adam can be Noah, or Israel, or Christ, or everybody, or anyone you want him to be - but the one person he can't be is himself! The creation can be after the Flood, or any other time you want it to be, but not at the beginning of time where the Bible puts it!

If "nothing important" happened before the Flood, why bother with the first 5 chapters of Genesis at all?

And this statement horrifies me:
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the only people on earth in those days in gods eyes was Israelites
This makes a nonsense of the Bible's insistence that the human race is all one. (e.g. Acts 17:26-28) I hope you didn't mean it. I'm just not going there...
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