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Re: Evolution
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2022, 01:26:49 PM »

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Hi @davetaff,

My point was, you will reject any evidence for evolution, by saying it?s not in the bible.  Have you not more or less just done that?

My point is proven.

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Hi Tara
Thank you for you reply of course I will because the God of the Bible is the creator of all life and the crowning glory  of that creation is Jesus Christ.

https://www.factretriever.com/evolution-facts

Jest done a Google and found the above site the first fact given is

Ultimately every living thing can trace its ancestry to a bacterium that lived billions of years ago.[6

The question is were did that bacterium come from did God create it or did it create itself from dead matter what we do know and can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt is all life comes from life not dead matter
So were did it come from.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2022, 02:29:16 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

Why are you asking me?  Do you expect me to know what a plethora of experts don?t know?  I?m commenting on Darwin?s Theory of evolution.  I don?t know the answer to how did it all start in terms of the Big Bang etc.  it is interesting though both in the creation story, and the more commonly  understood ?big bang? type theories, all agree we came from dust!  God obviously must?ve had special dust 😆!

You are arguing with yourself.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2022, 05:39:02 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

Why are you asking me?  Do you expect me to know what a plethora of experts don?t know?  I?m commenting on Darwin?s Theory of evolution.  I don?t know the answer to how did it all start in terms of the Big Bang etc.  it is interesting though both in the creation story, and the more commonly  understood ?big bang? type theories, all agree we came from dust!  God obviously must?ve had special dust 😆!

You are arguing with yourself.

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Hi Tara
Thank you for your post as for God creating from the dust of the earth

Gen 2:7  then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.    

When this was written it would be pointless saying bacterium the Israelites would have no idea what it meant so dust was a better alternative jest means small particles.
there is another side  to this God also said

Gen_13:16  I will make your offspring as the dust of the earth, so that if one can count the dust of the earth, your offspring also can be counted.       

This was God speaking to Abraham about Israel who would be like the dust of the earth and from that dust came our lord Jesus Christ the man in the image of God.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2022, 05:53:00 PM »
Hi @davetaff ,

I have read all of this, many times.  What is your point?  You are flogging a dead horse with this approach.

copying and pasting bits from the bible, doesn?t constitute evidence, to me, which was my original point.  What bit of that don?t you understand?

You?re still preaching to yourself.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2022, 06:37:31 PM »
Hi Tara
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     Some scholars believe there are more than 300 prophecies about Jesus in the Old Testament. These prophecies are specific enough that the mathematical probability of Jesus fulfilling even a handful of them, let alone all of them, is staggeringly improbable?if not impossible     

The above came from

https://www.jesusfilm.org/blog-and-stories/old-testament-prophecies.html

If Christ fulfilled many of these prophecies and there will be more to come in the end times it proves that the bible is a reliable source of information and can be trusted.
The evidence of God creating man in his image is overwhelming you not believing dose not alter it one bit.

I have noticed you don't try to defend the theory of evolution is that because you can't

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2022, 07:38:39 PM »
Hi @davetaff

I don?t have to defend Darwin, it?s been proven already, by folks who are far more qualified than me.  It?s more like I?m not into wasting time, explaining basic biology and genealogy to someone who has no interest in even trying to understand.  I mean you are searching Christian websites looking for scientific explanations - says it all. 
I?ll say it again, there is no point in this, if it?s not in the bible you won?t believe it so why should I waste my time?
Sorry the bible is not a reliable source, it is not even historically correct, in a lot of instances.  Who wrote the nt?  When was it written? 
Actually don?t bother even trying to answer that, I would bet you?re gonna say god.

I originally only commented to say it?s pointless debating this, it still is.  I won?t comment on this again, I?ve wasted enough time. 

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As you probably know I view the bible differently from most on here.  I think those sunsets, trees etc would still be the same without gods intervention, to me, it?s nature.

You seem to get my point though about what?s conceived as evidence.  A scientist would never accept what you present as evidence, and as observed on here, believers won?t accept the scientific proof.  It?s not a debate that has a difinitive outcome, no side can be swayed by the other.  On that note @davetaff please don?t debate this anywhere but here, you will be shredded, you don?t have a grasp on basic science, that?s not a criticism, it?s a friendly warning.

I?m no more intelligent than the next man, I reply rarely, and only when it encroaches on something I know or have seen.  I rarely comment on Bible issues, it?s like a book club that only reads one book.  I have a vast biblical knowledge, have read it many many times, studied it, taken it to pieces, listened to the vast array of interpretations, heard apologists with their verbal gymnastics, and none of it convinced me that it?s credible in its entirety.  A field trip at uni when studying archaeology saw me spend a month assisting a team who were trying to verify the authors and dates written of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul.  It was an eye opener in many ways, but I probably wouldn?t even raise thie findings on here, my physical proof, can?t convince a believer, even though what we found would do no harm to the good book.

Anyway I?m wittering on a bit, have a good day.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2022, 08:24:06 PM »
Hi Tara,
Hope all is going well for you.
I put in your post you wanted in with your last post

I believe very strongly that the bible has proved it's authenticity.
It is up to every individual what they believe.
We all have freewill and I really do not have a doubt of God's existence and that Jesus came as God to the earth.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2022, 08:16:48 AM »
Hi @davetaff

I don?t have to defend Darwin, it?s been proven already, by folks who are far more qualified than me.  It?s more like I?m not into wasting time, explaining basic biology and genealogy to someone who has no interest in even trying to understand.  I mean you are searching Christian websites looking for scientific explanations - says it all. 
I?ll say it again, there is no point in this, if it?s not in the bible you won?t believe it so why should I waste my time?
Sorry the bible is not a reliable source, it is not even historically correct, in a lot of instances.  Who wrote the nt?  When was it written? 
Actually don?t bother even trying to answer that, I would bet you?re gonna say god.

I originally only commented to say it?s pointless debating this, it still is.  I won?t comment on this again, I?ve wasted enough time. 

Tara
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As you probably know I view the bible differently from most on here.  I think those sunsets, trees etc would still be the same without gods intervention, to me, it?s nature.

You seem to get my point though about what?s conceived as evidence.  A scientist would never accept what you present as evidence, and as observed on here, believers won?t accept the scientific proof.  It?s not a debate that has a difinitive outcome, no side can be swayed by the other.  On that note @davetaff please don?t debate this anywhere but here, you will be shredded, you don?t have a grasp on basic science, that?s not a criticism, it?s a friendly warning.

I?m no more intelligent than the next man, I reply rarely, and only when it encroaches on something I know or have seen.  I rarely comment on Bible issues, it?s like a book club that only reads one book.  I have a vast biblical knowledge, have read it many many times, studied it, taken it to pieces, listened to the vast array of interpretations, heard apologists with their verbal gymnastics, and none of it convinced me that it?s credible in its entirety.  A field trip at uni when studying archaeology saw me spend a month assisting a team who were trying to verify the authors and dates written of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul.  It was an eye opener in many ways, but I probably wouldn?t even raise thie findings on here, my physical proof, can?t convince a believer, even though what we found would do no harm to the good book.

Anyway I?m wittering on a bit, have a good day.

Tara
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Hi Tara

I've also given up wasting time trying to explain things here - even things from the Bible! I can understand your frustration.
Many believers (including me) are convinced by the scientific evidence for evolution and don't find it a problem. God didn't design each species separately; He invented DNA and allowed it to get on with replicating and mutating... There are many good reasons for not interpreting Genesis 1 literally, but this is something that Christians have never agreed on.

I find it really sad that there's this war between Christianity and science (I blame Richard Dawkins for polarising the debate). As you've noticed, Christian websites rubbish the science, while scientific authors generally pour scorn on Christianity (and if they've read the websites, who can blame them?) The only exception to this rule that I've found is Biologos.

The Internet also has a lot to answer for when it comes to the Bible. The origins of the New Testament have been mangled by conspiracy theories (a la Da Vinci Code). Bart Ehrman gets a lot of publicity, but most of his arguments don't stand up to robust challenge. We know that the NT was written around the end of the first century because writers were quoting it in the second century. All four gospels are anonymous (authors are assigned by tradition, although the evidence for Luke is strong), but that doesn't make them inaccurate.

But anyway, you've researched all these issues and I'm not expecting to change your mind. It's just so refreshing to have the opportunity for a sensible conversation!
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