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« on: January 04, 2022, 09:19:41 AM »

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As Christians how should we view the theory of evolution is the earth millions of years old or jest a few thousand.
Did God create everything or did everything create itself from dead material or did God create everything over millions of years or in 6 24 hour days a few thousand years ago.
For my self I believe that God is the creator of everything we see life can only come from life not dead matter.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2022, 09:56:38 AM »
Yes good point Dave that life exists, and pinpoints creation with thought, design and power.

Lots of things became self-governing within the cells in our body, reproduction and propagation in plants for example.
Self governing because we have free will and take care in our every day lives. Only we need the guidance and power of God in our lives, to take affect in our spiritual walk and every day life, that influences and motivates our thoughts, conduct and behaviour.

Coming back to evolution:
There is a mixture of views regarding  evolutionary and the theory of evolution may show the absence of the thought, design and power. Views "in general "since these theory's began and there are many people who don't discover that and promote atheism, there are other people who do realize the life that pinpoints God.

I don't really think about the age of the earth. Probably it's difficult to know and only God knows.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2022, 01:13:26 PM »
Hi Primrose
Thank you for your reply I don't think as Christians we can ignore evolution  we need to have something to say  when non believers bring up the subject what do we say that God zapped everything together in 6 day end of discussion this is not acceptable.
Can we make a case for a creation over long periods of time the basic answer is all life forms must come from an intelligent life form can evolution discredit this with provable facts we need to start at the very beginning a sterile planet where did life come from.
Is carbon dating foolproof if so how can we equate this with the 6 days of creation do we need to reexamine Genesis to find an answer.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2022, 01:47:41 PM »
Our starting place is always the bible and in reading the bible we have to be careful  that we only read out of it what it says and don't  read into it what we want it to say.

When trying  to reconcile  science with the bible, it is always this way round, it is worth remembering  that the predominant  predisposition  of most scientists  is towards materialism and atheism.

Great are has to be taken that scient ideas do not undermine the authority of the Bible.


With the above in mind, evolution is an unbiblical idea that contradicts  the Bible.

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2022, 02:44:16 PM »
I leave it open to either way. Over whether creation was created over a long period of time and relates to how we see things grow and develop with God given self governing properties. The work of the hand of God overall, that enables creation to partake in creating.
That is still a wonder of wonder in creation.

When things are done outside the usual laws of nature people can be inspired, when it's also inspiring when within the long framework.
Like when Jesus turned water into wine. Those sort of things and miracles show the possibility of God creating quickly
Only God creating over a period of time fits more with how we see things develop, but the time in the bible would be different to now or symbolic.

Therefore I don't hold any opinion but look at the possibilities.Mainly sticking to the long time.

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2022, 10:58:35 PM »
Quote "  creation was created over a long period of time "  where in the bible is this possible?

It is only possible if one brings the idea of .one periods of time to the bible, if one reads into the bible preconceived  idea, it is not possible if one is reading whatever bible actually says.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2022, 01:03:16 PM »
Hi John & Primrose
Thank you for your input much appreciated I think what I'm trying to get at is whenever the question of evolution crops up with unbelievers it seem to me that we Christians are put on the back foot trying to defend creation.
Can we put the boot on the other foot should we be asking the evolutionists to prove their case by asking questions of them to prove that evolution as actually happend if so how and when in so doing we can plant doubts in their mind and maybe they would be encouraged to take a look at creation.
So what questions should we ask them to prove  for example
Can they prove that the first living organisms created  themselves from dead matter.
How was DNA made without any outside help.

What the evolutionists are saying is these miricals happened  all by themselves which of course is completely irrational.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2022, 10:28:31 AM »
Hi @davetaff ,

You said

Can we put the boot on the other foot should we be asking the evolutionists to prove their case .


The evolutionists have proven, and continue to prove that Darwin was right, more or less.   The problem is what?s conceived as proof.  Most believers will not believe what?s been found out despite overwhelming physical evidence, because it?s not in the Bible.  It?s an argument which cannot be resolved under these circumstances. 

I often wonder why science is fully accepted by believers in cases where ancient scrolls, with a mention of Jesus, or other significant biblical references are found, and proven to be genuine.  Yet demonised when these same methods are used but the results don?t sit well with you or your Bible.  That?s humans for you 😆

Tara
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