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Offline Primrose

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #96 on: December 02, 2021, 09:05:00 PM »

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I have been writing on this forum for many years and the forum before. There I met many people posting different points of views  and many Calvinists and a few were my friend. I didn't agree with what they were saying regarding cavinism but did in other respects with their faith. Such as Jesus, the human manifestation of God , the way, the truth and the life.  Many like myself expressed our differences in opinion. Only in another aspect  I sort of do  agree up to a point, because I know that I was unable to repent by myself and have faith in Jesus by myself and needed the Holy Spirit to help me. I didn't have any iota of understanding in my own accord and so know from experience. Having said that I  don't believe the Calvinism  gives the complete picture of God. I think God is much more loving and tender then is realised. The following cannot be ignored just  because a theology is considered to be more important:
"But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil." Luke 6 :35

The usual thing in the walk in Christ is to be taught by the Holy Spirit, and  brothers and sisters in Christ serve each other mutually as spiritual parents, and learn from each other, to get a more comprehensive and deeper understanding. The relationship becomes more reliant on God and less reliant on others as we feed ourselves and  are no longer so nurtured by others in some ways, but still always having that willingness to admit our mistakes and forever learning. That in the end God gives more light on the correct interpretation. As we all tend to interpret things incorrectly and in the wrong context .Everybody is entitled to their opinion but that  doesn't necessarily hold  true in part or wholly in the light of God. I think that many of us  can accuse others incorrectly such as not having the fruits of the Spirit or even not being a child of God, because they don't agree on the same theology and then  later learn not to do that but to consider things more slowly and not be so swift to judge this.

The people I knew thankfully didn't do that and I guess when God tested them in the differences of opinions they showed their willingness to considerations, which made them more open to God.

I need to say my Calvinists friends were very strong in their views but later actually said that God reached out to them and their views changed a bit. They looked more at other scriptures and got a more complete understanding and bigger view of God, who is love. I remember a friend said " I felt set free and see God in a much more loving capacity. "


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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #97 on: December 02, 2021, 09:38:22 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply but my bible says

        See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God?s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
1 John 3:1-‬2 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.3.1-2.ESV     


As you can see they are called the children of God and these are those who have heard the gospel  and have been baptised in the water of the word of God and have been reborn into the body of Christ.
They hear the word from the bride of Christ those chosen from the foundation of the world.

I have never said every man will be the children of God but only those who choose to be by loving God and loving their neighbours and there enemies.

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Dave
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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #98 on: December 03, 2021, 12:00:37 PM »
1 Jn 3:1

If God Loved all men without exception, and His Love is the same for all, then according to 1 Jn 3:1

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

All men without exception should be called the Son's of God ! Now if that is True, why did Jesus say to these ethnic jews ? Jn 8:42


42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Also, if God is Father of anyone then they will Love Jesus Christ, Christ said that Himself !" If God were your Father, ye would love me: "

Now Paul wrote in 1 Cor 16:22

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Now consider this, if any man Love not Jesus, then that means according to Jn 8:42, that one has not God as their Father, and if they have not God as their Father, then how could they be loved of God the Father 1 Jn 3:1 ?

Now, see how that false teaching cannot stand the test of scripture ?

As I've said before, you are asuming that God has only one form of love for mankind.

As it is clear from scripture that not all men will be saved, it follows that God has different forms of love.
God loves all mankind by virtue of there having life, that is a mark of Gods love.
His provission of seasons and the means to earn a living are also marks of Gods providential love.

This is totally different from his love that saves those he chose before creation.

It is a mistake to try and judge God according to our standards and values.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #99 on: December 03, 2021, 01:52:35 PM »
Hi
Another thing to take into consideration is everything our Lord taught before his crucifixion was for Israel he came to save Israel it was only after the crucifixion that the offer of salvation was given to the Gentiles.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #100 on: December 03, 2021, 02:36:50 PM »
If God Loved all men without exception, then is God their Father according to 1 Jn 3:1

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon u
s, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

The US here must be all men without exception for those who believe God Loved all men without exception, then all men without exception are the Sons of God and have God as their Father !

Now Jesus said to some jews this Jn 8:42a

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:

So from this very statement of Jesus, If God is the Father of a person that person would love Christ, but Paul writes a statement about some who do not Love Christ 1 Cor 16:22

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

So how can this be if God Loved all men without exception ? Because if He did, then God is their Father, and if that is so, they will Love Jesus Christ as Jesus said to the jews Jn 8:42a

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #101 on: December 03, 2021, 02:44:59 PM »
John said

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As I've said before, you are asuming that God has only one form of love for mankind.

There is no assuming on my part friend, Gods Love is definite and particular, and its in Christ Jesus. I have already discussed that point earlier if you have read my previous posts. Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In the original the Love of God has the definite article, its Gods only particular Love. Outside of Christ God has no love for men. And you would be unwise to assume or advocate differently.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #102 on: December 04, 2021, 09:59:36 AM »

Jn 3:16 The distinguishing Love of God for the Elect !

Those who have corrupted the word of God, take a scripture like Jn 3:16 and force it to say or mean that God Loves all men without exception, even though that's not what it says or means. The Truth of scripture however states and demonstrates that His Love is distinguishing and its only to His Elect ! Deut 7:6-8

6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.76

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Christ, who is God, is said to Love the Church [World] Eph 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church[The Elect], and gave himself for it;

These are certainly not everyone in the world without exception. The Church are the Chosen of Eph 1:4, which are the Chosen of Deut 7:6-8. Remember God told His Chosen there that they were His Chosen Possession Deut 7:6 " the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself"

Now the word special is the hebrew word cĕgullah and means:

) possession, property

a) valued property, peculiar treasure

b) treasure


Now the same things are said in Eph 1:4 [Chosen] and Eph 1:18

18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

The word inheritance is the greek word klēronomia:

an inheritance, property received (or to be received) by inheritance

2) what is given to one as a possession

a) the eternal blessedness of the consummated kingdom of God which is to be expected after the visible return of Christ

b) the share which an individual will have in that eternal blessedness


So this being God's Chosen inheritance in Deut 7:6-7 was because of them being designated by the Father, when He chose us in Christ.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #103 on: December 04, 2021, 03:35:47 PM »
Hi
Its all very simple there are those who have been chosen from the foundation of the world all the OT saints and prophets and all Christs apostles they comprise the bride of Christ and through these all the children are created
The children are created through dying through baptism and being reborn as children of God.
Why complicate something so simple.

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Dave

 

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