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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #88 on: November 28, 2021, 11:19:30 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your post but please read the following

   Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life         

So God loved the world the whole world and everyone in it and all sinners will have the opportunity to be saved through repentance and forgiveness of there sins it dose not mean everyone will be saved but everyone will have the opportunity to be saved.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #89 on: November 29, 2021, 09:31:05 AM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply but I think I understand pretty well God wants everyone to understand what he is saying so the words as we have them in scripture is as God wants them to be easily understood by ordenary men and women you don't need a university degree to understand it.
Changing the meaning of every word of scripture to suit our theology jest confuses people and serves no useful purpose.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #90 on: November 29, 2021, 10:42:36 AM »
John 3:16


God has no Love for any man except His Saving and Electing Love, whereby He actually saves Chosen sinners through Christ. Why speak of God's Love and neglect to mention as it is declared in scripture, that it is discriminating Elective Love Rom 9:11-13 ; Deut 7:6-7

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.



6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Now who can miss this grand Truth that God's Love here is the foundation for choosing a People[Israel], His Purpose according to Election!

Paul writes in Eph 1:3-5, that those Chosen in Christ were predestined in Love.

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Now is this Love of God any different from His Love to that People in Deut 7:7 or Jn 3:16 ? Are the objects of this Love different ? No it is not. In all these God's Love is toward a Chosen People Deut 7:7 or Jn 3:16. So in Jn 3:16 God's Love is towards a Chosen People in the World like He said in Deut 7:7, its the same People, but now in a different dispensation and generation !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #91 on: November 30, 2021, 02:24:13 PM »
Then are ye bastards and not sons !

Heb 12:6-8

6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

If the Lord chastens all whom He loves, and if He Loves all men without exception, then all men without exception are chastened of the Lord. Now if that is True, then why did this inspired writer of Hebrews say, If ye be without chastening, then are ye bastards and NOT Sons ! How could he write such a comment if He believed that God Loved all men without exception ? If he believed that, then was he careless and foolish to say some could be bastards and not Son. For how could a possibility of that even happen, if God Loved all men without exception ! The reason why he said it however, is because he knew that God did not Love all men without exception.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #92 on: November 30, 2021, 03:35:21 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your post you said

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  God has no Love for any man except His Saving and Electing Love, whereby He actually saves Chosen sinners through Christ. Why speak of God's Love and neglect to mention as it is declared in scripture, that it is discriminating Elective Love Rom 9:11-13 ; Deut 7:6-7     

God loves all men and women saint and sinner alike he proved it when he sacrificed his only begotten son Jesus Christ for the sins of the world.
That there is a small group who have been chosen from the foundation of the the world is not in doubt the rest of humanity must chose God to love him and follow laws of love.
The only thing God wants is our love nothing else will do

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #93 on: December 01, 2021, 02:33:16 PM »
John 3:16

Many False teachers today have corrupted and used God's word deceitfully by quoting Jn 3:16 as stating that God Loves all men, of all time without exception, and that believing in Christ here is an condition man must meet in order to get saved ! What utter Falsehood. For Jn 3:16 is stating no more than God Loved those in the world who are believing in His Son and that they should not perish. This is a Testimony that God Loved all those in the world who are believing or who are believers or shall be made believers as in Jn 17:20. So in this verse Jn 3:16, there is no testimony at all that God Loves any who are not or will become believers. Only believing in Christ is proof that God Loved someone.68

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #94 on: December 01, 2021, 04:01:11 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply lets consider the following

   15  That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

 16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 17  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 18  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 19  And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. note

 21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.     


To believe in Christ we must hear the gospel and make a choice.

God loved the world not jest part of it

Christ was sent into the world to save the world not jest part off it

But those who do not believe are condemned their choice

There are those who refuse to see the light of the world and prefer darkness but which ever way we look at it it's  our choice whether we are saved or not it's our choice not God it's  all a question of love we must love God of our own free will nothing else will do God cannot make us love him.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #95 on: December 02, 2021, 01:41:14 PM »

1 Jn 3:1

If God Loved all men without exception, and His Love is the same for all, then according to 1 Jn 3:1

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

All men without exception should be called the Son's of God ! Now if that is True, why did Jesus say to these ethnic jews ? Jn 8:42


42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Also, if God is Father of anyone then they will Love Jesus Christ, Christ said that Himself !" If God were your Father, ye would love me: "

Now Paul wrote in 1 Cor 16:22

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Now consider this, if any man Love not Jesus, then that means according to Jn 8:42, that one has not God as their Father, and if they have not God as their Father, then how could they be loved of God the Father 1 Jn 3:1 ?

Now, see how that false teaching cannot stand the test of scripture ?

 

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