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Its God's Love that moved Him to choose His People in Christ and make them a special people above all others Deut 14:2

2For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

This is a exclusive Love for His chosen ! The Chosen are all those regardless of race, who were Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4


4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God Loved His People so much, He ensured that they will be made Holy and Without blame before Him in Love.. Thats what God's Love does, it ensures this outcome..

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Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for a good post and its what I have been saying all along there are a special group of people which God has chosen from the beginning of creation to do Gods will here on earth and its through them the rest of us come to know God.
And we who have not been chosen have the opportunity to choose God through Jesus Christ by keeping his commands to love God and love our neighbours and our enemies.
When God said in Genesis

     Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth       

The word man should be read as mankind which will be realised in the millennium think of the words our image and our likeness man in Gods image will be created to look after the planet.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2021, 07:11:10 PM »
So, we see specifically that God's Love causes Him to choose a people. That would lead us to understand, that the world of Jn 3:16 consist of those so loved and Chosen of God..

Gods Love = Chosen ones to be recipients and benefactors of it.

Those God Loved, also is specifically designated His Church Eph 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Now, is the church everyone in the world without exception ? It would be foolish to say yes to that question..

The word church is the greek word

ek klēsia:

It simply means to call out, the called out ones..

1 Pet 2:9

9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

The church has been called out of darkness, and secondly, into His Marvelous light..

Its not a half done process. Its a calling out of and into.

These are the objects of God's Love in the world, the called out ones, the Church of Jesus Christ.

Paul calls them the called as in Rom 1:6

Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

Rom 8:28

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Rom 9:24

Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Now nowhere in scripture can these things apply to all mankind without exception.

The world that God Loved is a called world. Remember one of the definitions for the word world kosmos is:

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

So the called of Jesus Christ as in Rom 1:6

Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

So the collection of the called of Jesus Christ is the world God so Loved !

This just simply cannot be denied !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2021, 10:52:46 AM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply you said
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     So, we see specifically that God's Love causes Him to choose a people. That would lead us to understand, that the world of Jn 3:16 consist of those so loved and Chosen of God       

    16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 17  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved           


Chrst did not die for a select few he died to save the world everyone has an opportunity to be saved through the forgiveness of sin and faith in Jesus Christ.
Do you honestly believe that the God of creation would be satisfied in saving just a handful of people.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2021, 10:10:32 AM »
If God Loved all men without exception, whats the Point of Jesus telling His disciples this ? Jn 14:21

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

If God already Loved everyone in the world without exception, then this statement by Christ was a waste of time, and not really meaningful, since all who are in the world breaking God's commandments are Loved too.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2021, 11:31:50 AM »
Hi Brightfame52
If as you say only those predestined from the foundation of the world will be saved then there is no point in reading the bible there is no point in having a Bible if only those chosen will be saved it is through those who are chosen that the rest of us come to know Who God and his son are.

If what you say is right then the words ( and God so loved the world ) is a lie and being it is impossible for God to lie its a proven fact that God loves the world and everyone in it and has proved his love for it by sending his son to die for the sins of the world.
If only those who are chosen will be saved there is absolutly no point in Christ dieing on the cross he died for the sins of the world not just for a chosen few.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2021, 03:36:11 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
If as you say only those predestined from the foundation of the world will be saved then there is no point in reading the bible there is no point in having a Bible if only those chosen will be saved it is through those who are chosen that the rest of us come to know Who God and his son are.

If what you say is right then the words ( and God so loved the world ) is a lie and being it is impossible for God to lie its a proven fact that God loves the world and everyone in it and has proved his love for it by sending his son to die for the sins of the world.
If only those who are chosen will be saved there is absolutly no point in Christ dieing on the cross he died for the sins of the world not just for a chosen few.

Love and Peace
Dave

This thread is about Gods exclusive love to His Own !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2021, 07:42:53 PM »
It has been said that God loves the world and I wholeheartedly agree and with the scriptures presented.

God hates the world's behaviour and standards:

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.  For all that is in the world the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life is not of the Father but is of the world.  And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.1 John 2:15-17

For God is love:

Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.

In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.  Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.1 John 4:7-11

Therefore through the love of God we can love each other:

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another. John 13:34-35

That includes love for enemies as well. That is enabled through the love of God:

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Luke 6:35

Notice: He is kind to the unthankful and to the evil.
That if His disciples do this as well, they are the children of God, if this is through the love of God and the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Therefore please know this:

Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1 Timothy 2

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3

However, as represented by Jerusalem, the result can be this:

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her.

How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Matthew 23:37





 

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