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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #64 on: November 20, 2021, 10:43:06 AM »
Dave I dont think you are aware of the saving dynamic of Gods Love. If you did, it would be quite clear God doesnt love everyone without exception.

Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply Gods Love is summed up in the following.

   Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life       

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2021, 02:44:00 PM »
The Love of God which is in Christ Jesus Our Lord !

Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Those who are not of the Elect, are those who are hated as Esau [Rom 9:13], they are alienated from God's Love and always will be , that is why they shall have their portion in the Lake of Fire, or as Jesus states, the Damnation of Hell Matt 23:33

Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Hell was made especially for them ! and they were made especially for hell.

Now These men here Jesus was speaking to, could not be those whom God Loved in Christ Jesus, stating that they cannot escape the damnation of Hell.54

Also, If God's Love is in Christ Jesus, then how is it possible to be Loved of God as per Jn 3:16 without being Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the World ?

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2021, 11:03:44 AM »
What manner of Love is this ?


1 Jn 3:1

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons [children] of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

We know or should know that God does not Love all men without exception because all men without exception are not the children of God ! Those whom God Loved in Jn 3:16 are the same ones in 1 Jn 3:1. Now God bestowing His Love on the me in 1 Jn 3:1 constitutes them children of God, cannot be based upon believing, when Jn 3:16 is not based upon believing nor is Rom 5:8

8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners [unbelievers], Christ died for us.

God does not love one one way when we are unregenerate, then after conversion love us another way. The same ones God Loved and bestowed His Love on in 1 Jn 3:1 are the same as in Rom 5:8, and they have always [before conversion] been Children of God. This is intimated in Jn 11:52

52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Now, the Children of God are also the Children of Promise Rom 9:8

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Now Isaac was of the Children of Promise Gal 4:28

28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Now did Isaac have to be a believer to be a Child of Promise ? The answer is no. He was a Child of promise before his natural birth.

And its the same with all Children of promise, who are also Children of God !

Now to say that all men without exception are Children of God, would be to lie against the Truth which clearly designates some men children of the devil 1 Jn 3:10

10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

So scripture is quite conclusive that God Loved His Children, and all men without exception are not God's Children, Children of Promise , so God could not have Loved all men without exception !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2021, 11:31:01 AM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply that there is an elect group chosen by God is not in question to this I agree its all those who are not of the chosen ones that interests me.
They to can be saved through baptism and I am not talking about splashing some water on a babies head I am speaking of being washed submerged in the water of the word of God and dying to self and being reborn into the body of Christ and being part of the first resurrection and entering into the millennial reign of Jesus Christ
And this offer is open to everyone saint and sinner alike the elect do not need to go through this process if God has chosen you you will do what God wants Jonah tried to do a runner but God brought him back if you are chosen you are chosen end of story.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #68 on: November 22, 2021, 08:45:17 AM »
As I said before the scriptures need to be looked at more fully to get a more complete understanding.

These are not words I usually use but by human nature people tend to practice eisegesis and read into things too much, getting a wrong interpretation.

Somethings Jesus said have been "written down on this thread",  that can't be denied. Eg. Matthew 23:33 Yet at the same time other things can't be denied.
Eg. John 3:16
When looking at world in context. For in 1 John 2:2.

This is what is said:

And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

How can that  be denied that Jesus is the propitiation for the whole world.
How would that be correct grammar if the whole world only meant world in context of the elect?
Surely this can only mean the world in context as all people of the earth?


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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #69 on: November 22, 2021, 09:18:00 AM »
I fully agree that in rebirth that people need the help of the Holy Spirit to repent and trust in Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins.

Only the process needs a heart response to God to proceed. For example, " draw close to God and He will draw close to you."
Why would that be stated if it was not possible for us to humble ourselves at heart or have the will to do so. To be the good soil that the seed fell onto.

Why would God command for people to repent and turn from their wicked ways, if there was no capacity at all in them and no will to do so at all ,unless granted by God.

God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.
That's why He made provision for redemption, through Jesus.

"As I live," says the Lord God, " I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel. " Ezekiel 33

Christians are concerned for others salvation and care about their eternity, as well as their every day needs and so much and so much.

Nowadays these Christians are persecuted in different ways to more or lesser extents, in seen and unseen ways  and misunderstood, misread and misrepresented.
 On the Rock of Christ God knows,even when others don't.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #70 on: November 22, 2021, 10:10:33 AM »
We know that Christ did not Love all men without exception because scripture teaches that those He did Loved that He washed them with His blood and made them a king and priest unto God. Rev 1:5-7

5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

So these Three go together, Christ Loved, washed and made ! These three actions of Christ are not dependent upon the freewill of men, but attributed only to Him doing His Father's will and to Him alone belongs Glory and Dominion forever and ever !

Now unless we believe that Christ has washed all men without exception from their sins, and made all men without exception Kings and Priest unto God His Father, then there is no biblical warrant to believe nor teach that Christ, Loved all men without exception !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #71 on: November 22, 2021, 10:42:19 AM »
In the parable of the sower, Jesus mentioned the devil coming to snatch away what was sown in the heart. v19
Also there are other responses that show the seed was sown nevertheless.

Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Does that not show the seed is sown to everyone but only productive when the seed falls on good soil?

What would that suggest about God, if that does not illustrate God  drawing everyone but only a portion are receptive?


 

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