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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2021, 12:25:39 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for you post a good selection of scripture which can not be faulted Gods word is always correct its mans interpretation which is at fault.
I notice you have ignored my last post about the children of Christ and his bride who are given birth through baptism they are reborn as children of Christ and his bride.
They have not been chosen from the foundation of the world but have chosen to love God and their neighbours and have repented of their sins and have been accepted into the body of Christ and will be raised up on Christs return.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2021, 11:41:35 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for you post a good selection of scripture which can not be faulted Gods word is always correct its mans interpretation which is at fault.
I notice you have ignored my last post about the children of Christ and his bride who are given birth through baptism they are reborn as children of Christ and his bride.
They have not been chosen from the foundation of the world but have chosen to love God and their neighbours and have repented of their sins and have been accepted into the body of Christ and will be raised up on Christs return.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi Dave, it seems like you want to discuss another topic. Iam focused on showing that to say God loves all without exception is a myth, and Im giving scripture as to why.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2021, 09:22:56 AM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply but you are only telling one side of the story that God has chosen certain people from the foundation of the world is not in question.
But there is another group who have chosen To Love God and they to will be Saved.
And there is another group who have never known God and they are a law unto them selves.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #59 on: November 18, 2021, 03:56:01 PM »

God is Love !

1 Jn 4:8

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

God is Love has been one of the Truth's that false religion has used to deny other Truth's about God, like for instance, what the bible sets forth as God's main Attribute, and That is God is Holy !

Ps 99:9

Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

Isa 5:16

But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

Isa 43:3

For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour

This attribute so describes God that Isa says Thrice of Him Isa 6:3

3And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Never do we read in scripture Love,Love, Love is the Lord of Hosts !

So God's Love is and must be a Holy Love, a Love that arises from His Holiness, a Love directed by His Holiness and Justice for sin and evil which He hates. God cannot and will not Love anyone or anything He views as Unholy, because He hates evil and is of purer eyes to behold it favorably Hab 1:13

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

God hates evil which is to include wicked people or persons as individuals Ps 5:5

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

God hates the foolish, that is such as have not had Christ made unto them wisdom 1 Cor 1:30

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption

God has left them in their own foolish wisdom which is devilish James 2:14-15

14But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

15This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

They also are the workers of iniquity, emphasis on the individuals WORKERS of Iniquity, God hates them, because they are outside of God's Elective Purpose in Christ whereby their sins are not covered Ps 32:1-2

1Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

They are not blessed of God and God charges their iniquities unto them, so they are justly called workers of iniquity, in contrast to those blessed in Election, and whom God will not impute iniquity to their Charge.

God hates any and all whom He did Love and Choose in Christ before the world began. Eph 1:4-5; Rom 8:39 Only those sinners God Loved in Christ are Loved by God Rom 8:39

39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In the original the definite article precedes Love of God It is the only Love God has, its anchored in Christ Jesus our Lord. All those Chosen in Him before the world began are Loved by God 2 Tim 1:9


9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

These, though sinners by nature, are still viewed by God as Holy and without Blame before Him in Love Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

They are already Holy and without blame positionally and legally, but God is fulfilling His purpose through Jesus Christ that they will also be that way experientially !

And thats why God can Love them as sinners, because He views them in Christ Jesus.

This however is in total contrast to those sinners He did not choose in Christ, did not Love in Christ, these be the ones He hates Ps 5:5. So God is Love to those He sent Christ into the world to be a propitiation for their sins 1 Jn 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

If Christ was the propitiation for their sins, then they would not be viewed by God as workers of iniquity, who obviously have their sins charged to them, for God does not charge sin to those He loved, but charged it upon their Saviour Substitute Isa 53:6

6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

That cannot include those who God calls the workers of iniquity Ps 5:5

These God has not been propitiated for by Christ, which if God Loved them, would have been !

So God is Love, but only and exclusively in Christ Jesus our Lord !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2021, 04:00:30 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply but you are only telling one side of the story that God has chosen certain people from the foundation of the world is not in question.
But there is another group who have chosen To Love God and they to will be Saved.
And there is another group who have never known God and they are a law unto them selves.

Love and Peace
Dave

Dave Im telling what I believe scripture teaches. That its a myth that God loves all without exception, He doesnt. You obviously disagree.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2021, 11:49:20 AM »
Dave Im telling what I believe scripture teaches. That its a myth that God loves all without exception, He doesnt. You obviously disagree.

Hi Brightfame52
I have understood what you are saying and yes I disagree for the simple reason it can put off seekers looking for God and repentance and salvation because you are saying that it is God who has decided from the beginning who will be saved and this is untrue.

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Dave

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2021, 02:18:54 PM »

The Time of Love !

Ezk 16:6-8

6And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.

7I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

8Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.

All whom God Loves, He Loves in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And because of this Love, He sent Him into the world that we might live through Him. 1 Jn 4:9

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

There comes a time of Love for each one of us when God says Live. Thats because we were dead in our Trespasses and Sins Eph 2:1; Col 2:13, because of God's Great Love with which He Loved us, He made us Alive ! Eph 2:4-5

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

God says to us if Christ died for us, Live ! Its your time of Love ! That is what God's Love accomplished through Christ Jesus our Lord. Through His Covenant Blood, the Blood of the Covenant Zech 9:11

As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.

All for whom God Loved in Christ, shall be made to Live, and that everlastingly. None who will perish in their sins, was Loved by God !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2021, 02:20:43 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
I have understood what you are saying and yes I disagree for the simple reason it can put off seekers looking for God and repentance and salvation because you are saying that it is God who has decided from the beginning who will be saved and this is untrue.

Love and Peace
Dave

Dave I dont think you are aware of the saving dynamic of Gods Love. If you did, it would be quite clear God doesnt love everyone without exception.

 

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