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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #224 on: January 14, 2022, 01:30:31 PM »
Brightfame, we try to post our views without them being personal.
 Nobody but God knows and understands everything, that is His position to know and not ours where we are all flawed in our perceptions and limited in our understanding.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #225 on: January 14, 2022, 03:39:20 PM »
By John 3:16


We know God does not Love all mankind without exception by John 3:16, simply because God's Love for men, if He Loved them at all, is in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Which Love of God, the objects of it cannot be separated from it according Rom 8:39.

Now many shall be cast into the lake of Fire as cursed souls with the devil and his angels Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Now if those are not going to be separated from the Love of God in this horrible state, then what is. Will they continue in this everlasting fire not separated from the Love of God that is in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39 which is the same Love of God in Jn 3:16 ?

If these creatures were ever Loved of God, which is in Christ Jesus, then we must concede that while in that cursed everlasting condition, that God still Loves them as He did here Jn 3:16, with that His Exclusive Love which is in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39.

BTW in Rom 8:39, the Love of God is definite and distinct, it follows the definite article in the original:

ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν.

There is no such thing as a different or lesser Love of God, or any other such foolish and wicked inventions of men with depraved minds who resist the Truth. God either Loved us from all Eternity with His Eternal Love in Christ Jesus or He did not, ain't no in between. Those goats on His Left Hand, were not of the World God Loved, and their Eternal Death, separation from Him is evidence, lest Rom 8:39 is a Lie !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #226 on: January 14, 2022, 03:43:41 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
I won't thank you for that post it's very unchristian which makes me think are you a Muslim because they have very similar ideas to you as I have read about here

https://luk.staff.ugm.ac.id/kmi/off/XIslam/IslamOnline/LoveofGod.html

Love and Peace
Dave

I dont know anything about muslim beliefs, Im a believer in Christ Jesus.
https://luk.staff.ugm.ac.id/kmi/off/XIslam/IslamOnline/LoveofGod.html

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #227 on: January 15, 2022, 02:37:56 PM »
Given a good hope through grace !


All whom God Loved and Christ died for, by His Death alone they are given hope through Grace 2 Thess 2:16

16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

This Good Hope comes through being begotten again by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the Dead 1 Pet 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

None whom God Loved will not be given this Hope ! Which is related to Faith !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #228 on: January 16, 2022, 11:27:41 PM »
His Great Love wherewith he loved us !


Eph 2:4-5

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )


Now how can these whom God Loved while they were dead in sin, and as Paul writes in Vs 2- 3

walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

This is describing most wicked and ungodly conduct to say the least, and yet God had not just Love but Great Love for them, even as they worked nothing but iniquity, then how could they be the same as these Ps 5:5

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Now by Nature and wicked behavior whats the difference ?

Yes we have scripture Testimony that God had Great Love for one group while wicked in behavior Eph 2:2-4, and Hatred for the other group while wicked in behavior Ps 5:5.

The difference is this, God's Love for the One group was because they were His Chosen Eph 1:4-5, for God's Love and choice of a People go hand and hand Deut 7:6-7

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

The same Love and choice is seen in Eph 1:4-5, 2:4.

So its the Love of God in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

BUT the other group are not God's chosen, and so hated by God Ps 5:5, so its God's Eternal Love in Christ Jesus and Election in Christ that makes the difference in the groups of evil doers, one Loved and Chosen in Christ, and the others not !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #229 on: January 17, 2022, 01:39:34 AM »

So i kind of become born again, but without consent.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #230 on: January 17, 2022, 12:58:30 PM »
Loved them while dead in sin !


Because God Loved His Chosen while they were dead in sin Eph 2:4-5, That's evidence that they belonged to Him and were even then His Sons 1 Jn 3:1

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

So they are His Sons both Places 1 Jn 3:1 and Eph 2:4-5

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

This Great Love and the What Manner of Love 1 Jn 3:1 is the same Love of God and for the same objects, His Sons !

The Love of God for them in 1 Jn 3:1 is no Greater for them than it is for them in 1 Jn 3:1, if Sons here, then Son's there.

This proves that to be a lie which states believers were not Sons of God before Faith, that's equivalent to saying that they were Not Loved by the Father before Faith, which would contradict Eph 2:4-5

4 But God[The Father], who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,9

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ[The Son], (by grace ye are saved )

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #231 on: January 17, 2022, 01:00:06 PM »
So i kind of become born again, but without consent.

Post 228 did you understand it ?

 

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