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Offline Primrose

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #200 on: January 06, 2022, 03:04:48 PM »
God is perfect.
Of course He is not unrighteousness.
In Him there is no darkness at all.

It's just as children of God we need to submit to His will and through His help and His way and there is a great blessing in that.
Those who are never going to be His children of God are never going to respond to Him.
Its to do with free will.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #201 on: January 06, 2022, 03:18:32 PM »
Sorry I keep repeating this but there's this that really can be looked at.

 Love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.

This describes the nature of God and how He wants His children to be.
God will test His children and I have been both on the giving  end of unthankfulness, where I was the opposite to appreciating because of too much baggage. Many things were mutually misunderstood
That needs healing rather than punishment.

I've also been on the receiving end of unthankfulness with different people a great many many times and God showed me to keep giving and to think of them before myself . Not easy if not impossible in our human nature but through the help of the Holy Spirit is possible.

If that is what God inputs into us and He is the source then how can He be any different.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #202 on: January 06, 2022, 06:41:22 PM »
So some sinners are born under the Love of God and some sinners are born under God's hate. Its brought forth clearly also in Rom 9:11-14

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Jacob as all the Elect of God are born sinners under the Love of God, and Esau as all the reprobate, the non elect, are born under the hate of God.

Many will say because of this that God is unrighteous !160


Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your post all it proves is that God chooses certain individuals the elect this is not in dispute its plain throughout scripture.
I will ask you again who has God chosen after St Paul.

Like I have said before God is Love the whole of scripture is about love what God wants from us is our freewill gift of LOVE.
God cannot choose us to love him it would not be love.

As the scripture Primrose has given

       Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

The only thing that can save the world is love

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #203 on: January 06, 2022, 09:10:56 PM »
Well Jesus wept over Jerusalem, showing He had emotions.

Steve Houck writes in his pamphlet about Gods Love:
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God?s love can not be some powerless emotion that would like to see all men saved, but does not have the strength to accomplish that desire. God?s love must be an effectual power that not only wills the salvation of its objects (election), but actually does save them.

https://cprc.co.uk/pamphlets2/sovereigntyinsalvation/

https://cprc.co.uk/pamphlets2/sovereigntyinsalvation/

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #204 on: January 07, 2022, 03:03:05 AM »
Steve Houck writes in his pamphlet about Gods Love:
https://cprc.co.uk/pamphlets2/sovereigntyinsalvation/


Surely the bible is more important than a quote. The bible has the overall authority and is showing the freewill given.
To consider the question that Jesus wept over Jerusalem because many were unwilling to respond to Him. Matthew 23:37
Although  the humble did respond to Him.

This doesn't take away the strength and effective power of God but shows the free will of man.


https://cprc.co.uk/pamphlets2/sovereigntyinsalvation/

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #205 on: January 07, 2022, 01:25:23 PM »
Hi Brightfame52

Thank you for your post

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      Steve Houck writes in his pamphlet about Gods Love   

Who is Steve Houck can't find him in the bible so he is jest another man giving his opinion like me or you the only thing that counts is what the bible says this is the word of God and will always over ride the word of man.

Love and Peace
Dave





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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #206 on: January 07, 2022, 02:17:58 PM »
Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ

The definite article before Love ,lets us know that Paul is emphasizing the One and Only Love of the One and Only God, and its only in Christ Jesus our Lord !

What does that mean therefore ? How about Jn 3:16 ? If the World of Jn 3:16 were not already a Chosen World in Christ Jesus, a World Chosen in Him before the Foundation Eph 1:4, then it would be a World that God did not so Love, for God cannot Love and does not Love anyone outside of Christ, already covered with His Righteousness and Washed in His Blood, for His Love can only be in Christ Jesus Our Lord !

Those born outside of the pale of Election in Christ, are not Loved but hated by God !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #207 on: January 07, 2022, 02:21:05 PM »
Hi Brightfame52

Thank you for your post

Who is Steve Houck can't find him in the bible so he is jest another man giving his opinion like me or you the only thing that counts is what the bible says this is the word of God and will always over ride the word of man.

Love and Peace
Dave

I dont find davetaff in the bible, but you have a right to testify what you believe the scripture is saying. You act as though the author has not presented his view with scripture. As far as I can tell Dave you are also another man.

 

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