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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #192 on: January 04, 2022, 06:24:03 PM »
God's Love is not His Providential Care !


People have confused God's providential care for all His creatures with His Eternal Love which is only for His Children Chosen in Christ Jesus before the World began, which is a huge difference. God as creator can and does providentially care and provide for all His Creatures without Loving them All in Christ Jesus, for instance, if one is a chief warden of a prison house of horrible and wicked prisoners of the worst kind, even though while they are under his watch and he must provide for their needs and care for them, give them water and food, medical attention if need be and etc, nevertheless he will do all this without having Loved them, these are things he must do, without having a tender affection for them are he does for his own children, that he provides for, for then is his disposition different ! God does provide those He does not Love in Christ with the necessities of Life because He is their Creator and must sustain them as long as His Purpose deems it necessary. Matt 5:45

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

True Believers will emulate their Heavenly Father in this, as Jesus instructed here Lk 10:29-37, even though the stranger had religious differences and are our enemies in this cause, nevertheless, we should not withhold common mercies unto them when it is in our power to give it. This does not mean we Love them in Christ as our brother, in fact, they are enemies in that respect, but we do share a common lot together as God's Creatures, and should seek to be merciful to them if need be ! That is how God is towards them, even though He provideth not for their Eternal Salvation in Jesus Christ !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #193 on: January 04, 2022, 06:36:39 PM »
Love or charity as in KJV motivates people to provide for others and to be kind to others too.
If anything is done without love then it is nothing.
And as it is scripturally written.
,1 Corinthians 13

It doesn't mean anything if people are provided for out of duty and obligation. It means so much when it's out of a kind attitude and it is what draws people to God, when their heart is humble.
Draw close to God and He will draw close to you.


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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #194 on: January 05, 2022, 10:50:00 AM »
Hi Primrose
Thank you for you post very good and thought provoking.

Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for you reply but I see you have not addressed the scripture I gave so I will ask again.

    6  And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

 7  If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him         


So if God can accept (save ) Cain if he dose well and this applies to everyone who turns to God through Christ.

Of course the story of Cain and Able is another mirror image of what was to happen thousands of years later Israel the older son kills Christ the younger son Christ and Israel is rejected until they accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah then all Israel will be saved.
And of course Seth represents the risen Christ.

So we see everyone can be saved if they do well that is to repent of their sins and turn to God through Jesus Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #195 on: January 05, 2022, 03:14:35 PM »

Whats the difference ?

Whats the difference between sinners God hates as in Ps 5:5

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.


Now notice, the scripture states here that God hates not just the iniquity of these sinners, but the worker or workers of iniquity, the very persons who are committing the iniquity !

But now, on the other hand, those Christ died for, scripture testimony states clearly that God Loved them as sinners, as workers of iniquity as per Rom 5:8

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Now clearly, the testimony here is that God commendeth His Love towards these, WHILE WE WHERE YET SINNERS !

So clearly, any honest heart can see that there is a difference with God in these Two different sets of sinners. One set is hated, and the other set is Loved.

Now here is the difference. The group that is Loved Rom 5:8, they had all their transgressions charged to Christ, their iniquities were never charged to them but to Christ in order that He would for them make full satisfaction to God's Law and Justice, God sent Christ to be the propitiation for their sins because He Loved them 1 Jn 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

But those sinners that God hates Ps 5:5 those are all sinners whom sins and transgressions and iniquities are charged unto themselves, Yes iniquity is still charged upon their persons, and never was it charged to Christ in their behalf ! So consequently they will always be before God's Law and Justice, Workers of Iniquity, and even in spite of all their sincere religious endeavors, all they will hear in the Last Day of Judgment is these words Matt 7:22-23

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So that is the difference, one group of sinners that God Loved while in their wickedness had all their wickedness charged to Christ, whereas, the group of sinners that God hates, had all their wickedness charged to themselves !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #196 on: January 05, 2022, 03:16:06 PM »
Hi Primrose
Thank you for you post very good and thought provoking.

Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for you reply but I see you have not addressed the scripture I gave so I will ask again.

    6  And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

 7  If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him         


So if God can accept (save ) Cain if he dose well and this applies to everyone who turns to God through Christ.

Of course the story of Cain and Able is another mirror image of what was to happen thousands of years later Israel the older son kills Christ the younger son Christ and Israel is rejected until they accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah then all Israel will be saved.
And of course Seth represents the risen Christ.

So we see everyone can be saved if they do well that is to repent of their sins and turn to God through Jesus Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

I dont see the relevance. God still hates some sinners.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #197 on: January 05, 2022, 03:37:26 PM »
Maybe we can look for scriptures that show God's love within provision. I found easily and am sure others could find them too.
I found this Psalm 136:25

Give thanks to the Lord for His love endures forever.
He gives food to every creature.
His love endures forever.

Other versions say He gives food to all flesh and His mercy endures forever.

Doesn't that show how enduring God is to be merciful.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #198 on: January 05, 2022, 06:42:18 PM »
I dont see the relevance. God still hates some sinners.

Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply the relevance is that God is telling cain that if he dose well good he would be accepted as able was so this means that if a sinner repents God will forgive them and they shall be saved to eternal life.

God loves all sinners thats why he sent his only begotten son into the world to save sinners

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #199 on: January 06, 2022, 02:58:43 PM »
So some sinners are born under the Love of God and some sinners are born under God's hate. Its brought forth clearly also in Rom 9:11-14

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Jacob as all the Elect of God are born sinners under the Love of God, and Esau as all the reprobate, the non elect, are born under the hate of God.

Many will say because of this that God is unrighteous !160

 

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