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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #184 on: January 01, 2022, 11:46:35 PM »
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Dose God chastise the whole world through allowing Satan free reign not forgetting what God said in Genesis

No, He chastens His people that they should not be condemned along with the world 1 Cor :11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Jesus said as many as He Loves He chastens Rev 3:19

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Dave the words "as many as" denotes only some, not all.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #185 on: January 01, 2022, 11:48:41 PM »
Of course the love of God produces action and is activated. Only that needs a willing response because as I repeat Jesus said to Jerusalem many centuries ago " you were .not willing to be gathered from God, like chicks. "

That is why Jesus wailed. Did His wailing produce results  within what He said " you were not willing." @brightfame52

I realise that wasn't all of Israel and some respond to God now and will do in the future.

Sir I said Gods Love produces saving results.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #186 on: January 02, 2022, 01:20:53 AM »
 
But again I look at lazarus and those with leprosy....

When did they ever get what your talking about..

Your living on a whole different planet..


Try taking to the guy you walk by every day and ask him or her how they enjoy "saving chastisement" many of them die on the streets,  it seems nothing changes over the centuries.



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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #187 on: January 02, 2022, 11:36:12 AM »
Sir I said Gods Love produces saving results.

I'm a bit confused.
Did you mean God's love produces forgiveness, redemption and eternal deliverance?
What I was saying that Jesus surely wanted that for Israel in His words " how I long to gather you as a hen gathers her chicks but you were not willing."

@brightfame52 what else does that mean if it doesn't mean that?

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #188 on: January 02, 2022, 11:53:31 AM »
We live in a fallen world and all suffer as a result, in different ways.
That's not God's fault . He has given freewill as a gift but sadly humankind chose darkness over light, except for those who responded to Jesus.
God is benevolent in nature and wants to imput that into us and care for the needy and everybody through the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
If children of God are guided to have the fruits then how can the source they were given from who is God, be different.
God would always encourage us to be compassionate, gentle and kind to others, including those who are strangers, those who dislike us and hate us ,and why would He guide that if He was only compassionate to a few.
Like there's much teaching on loving those who don't love you and outside of the kinship and friends love.
Why would God be different, if that's what He teaches us and is the source of love.
Are you saying that unconditional love and compassion is not from God, when that involves a person loving their enemies?

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #189 on: January 02, 2022, 01:48:07 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your post like I have said before there is an elect of God I do not dispute it as for can other be saved the most defenetly can.

    6  And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

 7  If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him       


So what we who have not been chosen can be accepted if we do well which is having faith in Jesus Christ and loving God and our neighbours pretty simple.

The other problem I see with what you say is St Paul is the last person chosen by God according to scripture which means that nobody after Paul  can be saved because we cannot proove that anyone has bean chosen but we do know millions have chosen to turn to God and be saved and this can be proved.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #190 on: January 02, 2022, 11:06:22 PM »
That Love of God which it is said, For God so loved the World Jn 3:16 is that same Love that the Father had to His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the World that He Loved, He did so as He Loved Him Jn 17:23-24

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

It is therefore, all for whom God Loved, Jn 3:16 was a World in Union with Christ Jesus before the world began, and so He Loved it with a Love only found in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

None can be seperated from this Love, and since scripture is clear that many shall be seperated from God's Love into Everlasting Fire, then such ones could not have been any of those God so Loved in Jn 3:16 ! The Fact is, if one was not Loved while in Union as One with Christ before the foundation of the World, then that one was never Loved by God, and that is a Election Union. What did God say to the Chosen Jews , which was but a very small remnant ? Deut 7:6-7

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

God was speaking only to Chosen Jews in Christ, before Him in Love and Holiness as here Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:157

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #191 on: January 03, 2022, 12:40:49 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your post but again you are only giving scripture that concerns those chosen from the foundation of the world the last of which was St Paul can you prove that there was anyone after him.

Then you have not addressed the scripture I posted in my last post which was

      6  And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

 7  If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him         


So if the sinner dose well he will be accepted and Cain was a murderer but he could be accepted if he done well and this applies to everyone who repents seeks forgiveness and is reborn as a child of God.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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