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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #160 on: December 27, 2021, 11:29:14 AM »
Hi Primrose
Thank you for your post of course the multitude that came to him were Jews the lost sheep of Israel looking for a shepherd and they found one in Christ.
Were they chosen from the foundation of the world I don't think so they came looking for Christ the had chosen him he had not chosen them the only ones chosen by Christ are his apostles and we have no proof of him choosing anyone after St Paul.
So the 5000 were followers decipels who had chosen To go out to Christ and Christ fed them with the bread of heaven as he did when Israel came out of Egypt again we have things being repeated in Christ that happend to Israel coming out of Egypt looking into St Paul's mirror again.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #161 on: December 27, 2021, 11:54:40 AM »

God does not Love all mankind without exception !

The unfaithful Teachers of our time and time past who teach that God loves all mankind without exception are  deceivers , for scriptures do teach the very opposite Rom 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Ps 5:5

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Now if God hates all the workers of iniquity, then they could not have been of that People of sinners that God so Loved Rom 5:8

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners [ workers of iniquity], Christ died for us.

Now, if these are the same as those in Ps 5:5, we have a major contradiction, so to avoid such, it is plainly taught that God does not Love all sinners, for some, as per Ps 5:5 He does hate, and they shall not stand in the day of Judgment, they have no Saviour provided for them ! As God's Love is Immutable and not subject to change, so is His hate for some immutable and not subject to change, for just as His Church is Loved with an everlasting love, His enemies are hated with an everlasting hatred as the edomites symbolized Mal 1:4

4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever.

They are the people of God's curse unto Judgment Isa 34:5

5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.

They all shall hear in the Great day Matt 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #162 on: December 27, 2021, 12:44:21 PM »
Hi Primrose
Thank you for your post of course the multitude that came to him were Jews the lost sheep of Israel looking for a shepherd and they found one in Christ.
Were they chosen from the foundation of the world I don't think so they came looking for Christ the had chosen him he had not chosen them the only ones chosen by Christ are his apostles and we have no proof of him choosing anyone after St Paul.
So the 5000 were followers decipels who had chosen To go out to Christ and Christ fed them with the bread of heaven as he did when Israel came out of Egypt again we have things being repeated in Christ that happend to Israel coming out of Egypt looking into St Paul's mirror again.

Love and Peace
Dave
Surely the crowds were a mixture of people. Like when Jesus healed the Canaanite woman. Also the Samaritans.
The point I was making that Jesus had compassion on the crowd, no matter who they were because they willingly followed Him and were like sheep without a Shepherd.
These people followed Him, including His own earthly parents and household.As well as the humble people.

That are not included in Jesus weeping over His rejection ' "Jerusalem Jerusalem how I longed to gather you like a hen gathers her chicks, but you were not willing."

There were some who didn't follow Him and they were among those of high  standing like the Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees. That was God's amazing way of giving the right to be children of God to anyone, not born of natural birth but of spiritual birth.
Expressed many times and in the great commission.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #163 on: December 27, 2021, 01:30:48 PM »
Hi Primrose
Thank you for your reply I assume the crowed were Jews because our Lord said

    24  But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel       

The good news was not given to the gentiles until after his death and resurrection before that his message was only for Israel.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #164 on: December 27, 2021, 02:09:25 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your post but I'm afraid you make the God of Love sound like Adolf Hitler the weapons God will use to fulfill his purpose are.

    Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,
Ephesians 6:14, ‬16-‬17 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.6.14-17.ESV       


And the best weapon we have is the sword of the spirit which which we can overcome the enemy so the can be reborn into the body of Christ and become part of the man in the image of God.
The God of Love frying people alive is a contradiction in terms.
God is Love he is also a consuming fire so the fire is something good God will fight evil with good not evil.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #165 on: December 27, 2021, 02:33:15 PM »
@davetaff

Yes Jesus's ministry was to the lost sheep of the house of Israel before the great commission went to the rest of the world.
Only the point I'm trying to make is that Jesus still demonstrated compassion to different people and didn't have the immutable hatred towards some but not others.

As His compassion was for the crowd. Also as some of Israel rejected Him and He said  that they were not willing, which disputes the  views that God will always get a response to those He draws.

There were people who were not known as being part of Israel but could be under the wider umbrella of Israel.
Such as the Samaritan woman at the well, who made Jesus known.

Also the Canaanite woman, Jesus didn't have an immutable hatred for, although He didn't give a very dignified description calling the canaanites dogs that can't have the bread that belongs to the children.
 "Yes," the Canaanite woman said "Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."  Then Jesus answered and said to her, "O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

That's food for thought for this thread.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #166 on: December 28, 2021, 11:30:33 AM »
Hi Primrose
Thank you for your reply some good points raised as for the woman at the well it was our Lord's acknowledgement of her faith its through faith we are saved.
Yes our Lord loved the world and died  for it and through that death and resurrection we can inherit eternal life.

As for calling the Canaanites dogs I wonder was it because they were not classed as man in the image of God as the rest of humanity was it was only Israel who was in the Image of God whom Christ came to save maybe we should consider this parable

      But he said to him, ?A man once gave a great banquet and invited many. And at the time for the banquet he sent his servant to say to those who had been invited, ?Come, for everything is now ready.? But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said to him, ?I have bought a field, and I must go out and see it. Please have me excused.? And another said, ?I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to examine them. Please have me excused.? And another said, ?I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.? So the servant came and reported these things to his master. Then the master of the house became angry and said to his servant, ?Go out quickly to the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in the poor and crippled and blind and lame.? And the servant said, ?Sir, what you commanded has been done, and still there is room.? And the master said to the servant, ?Go out to the highways and hedges and compel people to come in, that my house may be filled. For I tell you,none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.??
Luke 14:16-‬24 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/luk.14.16-24.ESV     


The first one invited was Israel when they refused the invitation was given to the world

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #167 on: December 28, 2021, 11:40:59 AM »
Hi Brightfame52
I must apologise for using Adolf Hitler in a previous post I think I may have offended you I'm sorry.
But it did make me think in the OT there are no end of killings and wars and it made me ask why did The God of Love allow this to go on and I wonder if it was a object lesson in what does not work aggression only gets more aggression and there is no end of it we see it in the world today and there is only one answer to it LOVE.

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Dave

 

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