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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #136 on: December 16, 2021, 03:03:41 PM »
The effect of God's Love !

1 Jn 4:19

We love him, because he first loved us.

God does not Love all men without exception because all men without exception do not Love God and Christ ! A evidence of God's Love for a person, is that the one being Loved by Him shall be caused to Love God in Return, and so we have the words of our Text "We love him, because or since he first loved us."

Also that is why Jesus said this to unregenerate jews Jn 8:42

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

And that goes for anyone, If God Loves you, He is your Father and you would Love God, and His Christ, there are no exceptions.

Jn 16:27

27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Again, an evidence that men have been Loved by the Father, because they Love Christ and believe in His Mission from their Father !

Ones Love to God and His Christ is the Fruit of God Loving them !

All who do not Love Christ, let them be accursed ! For God does not Love them 1 Cor 16:21-22

21The salutation of me Paul with mine own hand.

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Paul would dare not say that if He believed these men were Loved by God.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #137 on: December 16, 2021, 05:07:44 PM »
Hi
Jest a thought.

Gen_3:5  For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.?
Gen_3:22  Then the LORD God said, ?Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever??

To be like God we must know what good and evil are because we have to choose the good and reject the evil and God can not do that for us we have to choose LOVE

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #138 on: December 17, 2021, 01:41:17 PM »
Hast loved them, as thou hast loved me !


Jn 17:23

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Now if God Loved all men without exception, then He must have Loved them as He Loved Christ. In context, Jesus is not only speaking of His Disciples, but of also all them that shall believe on Him through their word Jn 17:19-24

19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.


The word AS is the greek adverb kathōs:
according as

a) just as, even as

b) in proportion as, in the degree that

They are Loved in the same degree , even as God Loved His Son !!

This means, those Jesus will yet say this to Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If those who teach the false doctrine that God Loves all men without exception, then, these here Christ is speaking to in the Judgment, whom He will say to them, I never knew you, they were Loved by His Father in the same degree that the Father Loved Him !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #139 on: December 17, 2021, 04:17:50 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply I see John answers the question in verse 20

Joh 17:20  ?I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,        
 
So here we have the two groups the Bride of Christ who preaches the word of God and those and those who believe through the word they preach

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #140 on: December 18, 2021, 04:10:54 PM »
Propitiation for our sins !


We know that God does not Love all without exception because if He did, all without exception would have had all their sins taken away and could not be punished for their sins, because scriptures says

1 Jn 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

You see that ? God's Love was demonstrated to those He so Loved, that He sent His Son the Lord Jesus Christ to be the propitiation for our sins.

Now, those who have and shall die in their sins, it is evident that Christ was not the propitiation for their sins, meaning He did not satisfy God's Law and Justice for them, so consequently they must remain unbelievers and die in their sins Jn 8:24

24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Its no doubt about it, Christ is being even now for all that He died for the propitiation for their sins before the heavenly mercy Seat and Throne of God.

The word propitiation here is the greek word hilasmos and means:

an appeasing, propitiating continually !

2) the means of appeasing, a propitiation

The Lord Jesus Christ for all them God Loved, He has established everlasting peace with God for them.

Its a Peace that the Son of God Made with His Blood Col 1:20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Peace is the fruit of propitiation, God is at Peace with with every soul Christ died for, and that is the fruit of His Love !

Now, those who shall yet hear these words Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God did not Love them, and did not send Christ to be the propitiation for their sins, because if He did, God would be obligated, for Christ's sake, to receive them into His Favor , because His Law and Justice had been satisfied on their behalf by His Son !94

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #141 on: December 18, 2021, 04:19:05 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply I see John answers the question in verse 20

Joh 17:20  ?I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,       
 
So here we have the two groups the Bride of Christ who preaches the word of God and those and those who believe through the word they preach

Love and Peace
 Dave

You are in error, its the same group. The apostles are part of the bride of Christ and they preach to other unconverted members of the bride of Christ, thats why Paul said to the believers in the church of corinth 2 Cor 11:2

2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Dave you need to be careful friend

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #142 on: December 19, 2021, 11:05:33 AM »
Jn 3:16

16"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God's Love for the World of the Elect, His People, though they were born by Nature as others, most unholy sinners, but because of God's Great Love for them, He never for a second legally condemned them, neither have they ever been under His punitive wrath. For those things are not consistent with His Great Love for them ! It was God's Love that sent Christ into the world to redeem those He Loved Jn 3:16-17;1 Jn 3:16;4:9-10. All the condemnation legally that the Elect deserved for their revolt against God in Adam, had already been imputed to Christ, their Surety before the foundation of the world !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #143 on: December 19, 2021, 01:06:42 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your post and your concern much appreciated thank you.

I think the following may be of interest

    27  Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

 28  And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. note

 29  Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? note

 30  Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

 31  But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.       


As we can see there are different levels in the body of Christ
Apostles and prophets taking top place and I believed they will form the bride then comes the rest of the body all having different gifts.

Then comes the most excellent way could not resist one of my favourites

      If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
1 Corinthians 13:1-‬12 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.13.1-12.ESV       


So Love is the fulfillment of scripture so let us love as commanded by our Lord.

Love and Peace
Dave
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.13.1-12.ESV

 

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