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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #128 on: December 13, 2021, 01:21:39 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply but even if Esau was hated he did pretty well he was the founder of the nation of Edom so he done pretty well for someone  hated be God so we have to ask ourselves what being hated by God actually means.
We do know that God has chosen certain people to do his will and Israel ( Jakob) falls into that category so is being blessed by God is God using certain people to do his will as was Abraham

      Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him     

Here we see that all the nations of the world shall be blessed if all the nations will be blessed where dose God hating anyone come in.
So how should God hating be viewed dose it jest mean that God has no regard for Esau

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #129 on: December 14, 2021, 12:04:42 PM »
Jn 6:44-45


If God Loved all men without exception, then all men without exception shall come to Christ ! Which we know is not true See Jn 5:40

Jn 6:44-45

44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Now lets compare Ps 94:12 and Jn 6:45

Ps 94:12

12Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;

Now whom God Loveth, He chasteneth Heb 12:6

6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Now who the Lord Loveth, He chastens and teaches out of His Law ! And those so blessed, come to Christ, for they are Sons or Children.

Now all that are taught of God and learned comes to Christ Jn 6:44-45.

So if all men without exception do not come to Christ [believe in Him] then scripture testimony is false. God teaches men the Law when He as promised, puts it into their hearts at regeneration or New Birth Jer 31:33

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. See also Heb 8:10;10:16. Now scripture gives only one particular seed that God promises to chastn, and that is the seed of David, a Type of Christ Ps 89:29-32 and not everyone in the world without exception, the seed of David is the same as the seed of Abraham, which means God's Elect !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #130 on: December 14, 2021, 12:05:47 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply but even if Esau was hated he did pretty well he was the founder of the nation of Edom so he done pretty well for someone  hated be God so we have to ask ourselves what being hated by God actually means.
We do know that God has chosen certain people to do his will and Israel ( Jakob) falls into that category so is being blessed by God is God using certain people to do his will as was Abraham

      Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him     

Here we see that all the nations of the world shall be blessed if all the nations will be blessed where dose God hating anyone come in.
So how should God hating be viewed dose it jest mean that God has no regard for Esau

Love and Peace
Dave

Are those cursed by God into damnation loved by God, yes or no.   

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #131 on: December 14, 2021, 05:03:44 PM »
Are those cursed by God into damnation loved by God, yes or no.   

Hi Brightfame
thank you for your question the answer being most definitely yes God Loves the world that why he sent his son into the world to die for the sins of the world he did not die for the righteous but for all sinners if you love someone you don't stop loving them jest because they disobey you God is Love what dose that mean ?
Your God sounds more like Hitler do as I say or I will blow your head of God who is love could never do such a thing Love is the only thing that will solve the problems of this world when we all love one another wars will end starvation will end homelessness will end global  warming   will end  the only thing that can save this world is love it is the most powerful force in the universe God is Love.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #132 on: December 15, 2021, 03:12:10 PM »

A Converting Love !

Rev 1:5

5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

We know it is a Myth that Christ Loved everyone without exception, simply because scripture testimony tells us that those He Loved, He washed them from their Sins in His own Blood.

That means He saved them. Having been washed from our sins is Salvation !

Now, there are many who shall die and did die in their sins ! Jn 8:21,24

Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

So how could Jesus have Loved these whom He declares shall die in their sins ? Because if He Loved them, He washed them from their sins by His own Blood !

Not only that, He also, those whom He Loved and Washed, He made them as a consequence Kings and Priests unto God, His Father, which speaks to their New Birth and Conversion ! Vs 6

6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Christ's Love is a converting Love, at least the Christ I serve is !89

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #133 on: December 15, 2021, 03:15:45 PM »
Hi Brightfame
thank you for your question the answer being most definitely yes God Loves the world that why he sent his son into the world to die for the sins of the world he did not die for the righteous but for all sinners if you love someone you don't stop loving them jest because they disobey you God is Love what dose that mean ?
Your God sounds more like Hitler do as I say or I will blow your head of God who is love could never do such a thing Love is the only thing that will solve the problems of this world when we all love one another wars will end starvation will end homelessness will end global  warming   will end  the only thing that can save this world is love it is the most powerful force in the universe God is Love.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi Dave, I must say that you misunderstand Gods Love and devalue it since you believe God loves them who He sends into eternal torment and accursedness.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #134 on: December 15, 2021, 06:19:14 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply just because not everyone will be saved dose not mean that God dose not love them after all he expects us to love our enemies I believe he dose the same.

    Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you         

God would not ask us to do something that he would not do himself God loves and we must love only love can save this world.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #135 on: December 16, 2021, 02:48:24 AM »
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God would not ask us to do something that he would not do himself



I knew someone who used to say something like that except he said "I would not ask you to do anything that I could not do" - problem is we all have different abilities and gifts"

Of cause God can do more than we could possibly imagine and you must use "Himself"

In a way you are right - but till we meet we are not God.. and will never be greater than our Creator even in the afterlife..





@brightfame52  are you still to convince yourself that you are right or do you still require confirmation from others and to be accepted for your belief ? are you questioning yourself ?

As I said before

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Now take Saul a murderer of Christians "loved by God" now God is coming from the other direction God  turns Saul into Paul.

A pharisee ? no "brood of vipers" worse than the gentiles - might as well invite someone with leprosy into your home.

So God did..

Opposite side of the coin, flip a coin today , heads or tails..

So did God turn "brightfame52" into "bright light"  was it you who did this ?




Who am I to say that "hitler is in hell" and "I am saved" only God can decide..


My eternal life is not based  on "knowing scripture" but on where my heart is - maybe without having any knowledge of scripture...

That is why God chose the fishermen among His many followers..

Followers do not mean they were Gods, hence "judas iscariot" among many..

May I add that the pharisees and saducees also followed Jesus for many years and thought they knew scripture.

So did the whole of the Spiritual world / good and bad and still does..

Hence you can still come under attack and so can I.


It doesn't end with scripture....


If you are ever privileged enough to come under attack now or in the future , be sure God will step in.
 
It may not be what you imagined He would do , but He will do it.


You may not be close to Him at this time, but He will be very close to you.

Because the attack may not be human but will be judged by humans.

This is when the pharisees" and "sadducees" may reappear in your life.

And don't believe it is only a once in a lifetime thing, it can happen many times..

 

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