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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #120 on: December 11, 2021, 10:56:15 AM »
1 Jn 4:9-10

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

If God Loved all men without exception as some falsely assert, then it is His Purpose that they live [spiritually] through Christ, because He was sent into the world to be a propitiation for their sins, so if all without exception do not live spiritually, but remain dead in sin, God in His Love has failed in that Purpose, there is simply no other conclusion !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #121 on: December 11, 2021, 10:57:23 AM »
Hi Brightfame52
Sorry about that ,mistake the verse says

        22  If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha       

I think this supports what I've been saying if any man dose not love the Lord he is cursed and will not be saved but to know and love the Lord we must have the gospel preached to us and make the choice to love the Lordthe choice to love the Lord lies with us.
But this dose not apply to the elect they have been chosen by God from the foundation of the world as you so rightly say.
I am not saying everyone will be saved but I believe everyone will be given the opportunity through the Gospel to choose to love God repent and be reborn into Christ.

Come Lord Jesus

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Dave

So you believe that God loves the cursed in hell. Correct ?

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #122 on: December 11, 2021, 01:25:23 PM »
So you believe that God loves the cursed in hell. Correct ?

Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for you reply but why do you put words in my mouth I don't think I have said so our Lord did say.

    Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance         

If the elect are righteous who are the sinners Christ calls to repentance and why ?

As for all those that go to hell and the lake of fire what is the lake of fire we know that God is a consuming fire what dose this mean if we look at Moses and the burning Bush we see that that the Bush was not harmed the same with shadrach meshach and a bendigo the fire never harmed them so if God is a consuming fire is that a good thing dose it mean God will consume into him self all those sinners who have come to the lake of fire sounds more like the God of Love to me.

Are we showing love to our neighbours by wanting God to fry alive those we love in a lake of fire as we are baptised with water they will be baptised   with fire I don't think it will be a pleasant experience

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #123 on: December 12, 2021, 11:08:37 AM »

Rom 8:35-39

Rom 8:35-39

35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Now since according to the false teachers, God and Christ Loved all men without exception, and it appears that nothing can separate the objects of their Love from their Love, then all those who shall yet hear the words of Matt 25:41

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They can be assured that while they are in everlasting torment and fire, and cursed, that God and Christ still Loves them.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #124 on: December 12, 2021, 11:11:46 AM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for you reply but why do you put words in my mouth I don't think I have said so our Lord did say.

    Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance         

If the elect are righteous who are the sinners Christ calls to repentance and why ?

As for all those that go to hell and the lake of fire what is the lake of fire we know that God is a consuming fire what dose this mean if we look at Moses and the burning Bush we see that that the Bush was not harmed the same with shadrach meshach and a bendigo the fire never harmed them so if God is a consuming fire is that a good thing dose it mean God will consume into him self all those sinners who have come to the lake of fire sounds more like the God of Love to me.

Are we showing love to our neighbours by wanting God to fry alive those we love in a lake of fire as we are baptised with water they will be baptised   with fire I don't think it will be a pleasant experience

Love and Peace
Dave

I dont understand you. Are those cursed by God into damnation loved by God, yes or no.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #125 on: December 12, 2021, 11:41:22 AM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply not sure what your point is Rom 8:35-39 is Paul telling us what will happen to Gods elect those chosen from the foundation of the world to do Gods will here on earth we can agree on this.
So what was the purpose of the elect it was to spread the word of God throughout the world to everyone to offer the most wondrous gift of salvation to everyone who would accept it Christ died for the sins of the world he paid the price we should be paying he is the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world thats the whole world and everyone in it the only condition is we must repent of our sins and be reborn as children of God.

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       I dont understand you. Are those cursed by God into damnation loved by God, yes or no.       

God has loved humanity from the foundation of the world what God hates is sin and those who commit sin and worship othe gods.
Let's put it this way I have an eldest son who as a young lad left home and became a punk rocker into alcohol and drug abuse and all sorts of wicked thing and I hated everything he did and stood for but I still loved him he was my child and I think its the same with God he hates and detest all the sins we commit but he still loves us and wants the best for us all we have to do is turn to him and love him.


Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #126 on: December 13, 2021, 11:21:28 AM »
Why God hates some !


Rom 9:13

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Mal 1:2-3

2I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

3And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

One of the main reasons why God hates some is to manifest more clearly the Love that He does have for the ones He does Love. God's Love is not properly perceived, if it is not seen from the background of others that He hates ! That is God's point in Mal 1:2-3 ! They were both brothers, both sinners, yet God only Loved Jacob !

1 Jn 3:16

Hereby perceive we[Believers] the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #127 on: December 13, 2021, 11:22:52 AM »
Hi Brightfame52
Thank you for your reply not sure what your point is Rom 8:35-39 is Paul telling us what will happen to Gods elect those chosen from the foundation of the world to do Gods will here on earth we can agree on this.
So what was the purpose of the elect it was to spread the word of God throughout the world to everyone to offer the most wondrous gift of salvation to everyone who would accept it Christ died for the sins of the world he paid the price we should be paying he is the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world thats the whole world and everyone in it the only condition is we must repent of our sins and be reborn as children of God.

God has loved humanity from the foundation of the world what God hates is sin and those who commit sin and worship othe gods.
Let's put it this way I have an eldest son who as a young lad left home and became a punk rocker into alcohol and drug abuse and all sorts of wicked thing and I hated everything he did and stood for but I still loved him he was my child and I think its the same with God he hates and detest all the sins we commit but he still loves us and wants the best for us all we have to do is turn to him and love him.


Love and Peace
Dave

 Are those cursed by God into damnation loved by God, yes or no.   

 

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