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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #104 on: December 05, 2021, 05:10:33 AM »
Does your theory include all created / since sin perverted human kind

RE: things created  including animals and nature..


Because nature has been corrupted and huge numbers of species are no longer/ due to human interference.
Without exception God must have decided to get rid of a huge amount of the amazon rain forest and hundreds of animal species...

Now business is looking at profiting  from the electric revolution...


eg: for God loved the world so much - that He went electric with transport ...and used wind turbines to save those that He loved. with their energy bills...

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #105 on: December 05, 2021, 11:26:26 AM »
The Love that God has for them He Loves Deut 7:6-7 has it's origin in Eternity, premised on His Gift of His Son, whose goings forth hath been from everlasting Mic 5:2, He having been ordained to die for the objects of His Love before the world began 1 Pet 1:20

20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you[The Elect 1 Pet 1:1-2]

That God had a distinguishing Love among the human family of men is seen by His words here Mal 1:2

2I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, Notice, He did not say that He Loved Esau, Jacobs brother, He made a point to emphasize that !

Here it is affirmed even amongst men of the same human family of siblings, God Loved Jacob only, and not His brother esau. Now the Truth of the matter is this, each one of us falls into the category of either Jacob, those God Loves or esau, those God hates see Rom 9:13, meaning God does not Love ! We can rebel against this Truth all we want, it is not going to change God one bit !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #106 on: December 05, 2021, 01:41:26 PM »
Does your theory include all created / since sin perverted human kind

RE: things created  including animals and nature..


Because nature has been corrupted and huge numbers of species are no longer/ due to human interference.
Without exception God must have decided to get rid of a huge amount of the amazon rain forest and hundreds of animal species...

Now business is looking at profiting  from the electric revolution...


eg: for God loved the world so much - that He went electric with transport ...and used wind turbines to save those that He loved. with their energy bills...


Hi bot4
Thank you for your post I think the following verse will answer the question

  Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth   

God will destroy those who destroy the earth and thats what man is doing now with globle warming.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #107 on: December 06, 2021, 02:07:34 PM »

Only Love revealed !

True Believers take God at His Word ! God's Sovereign distinguishing Love for His Chosen is the only Love for man God reveals as per Deut 7:6-7


6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Mal 1:2

2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,


Now there is nothing here that suggests that God also Loved the Egyptians or other people groups that existed when this truth was made known, and it would be pure assumption to state that He did !

God's Love is not as the False teachers tell us, a general love for all mankind, regardless of their perversion of the Jn 3:16 text or the 1 Jn 2:2 text, but it is special and directed only to His own People Jn 13:1

1Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

The objects of his love are described by his property in them, "his own"; by whom are meant, not all mankind, who are his by creation; nor the Jews, who were his nation and countrymen according to the flesh; nor the twelve apostles only, whom he had chosen; but all the elect of God, who are his own, by his choice of them, by the Father's gift of them to him, by the purchase he made of them with his blood, and by his effectual call of them by his grace: John Gill

The Church Eph 5:25,28-29

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Scripture here is very specific as to who Christ Loved, the Church, same as in Jn 13:1, Which is His own Body

28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:


Again, Christ Loved His Own Church, His Wife, His Own Body, what can be made more plainer to any honest heart quickened by God ?

Read again Mal 1:2, this is the very scripture God inspired Paul to use when preaching about the Election of Grace Rom 9:11-13 cp Rom 11:5-6. That such a truth is really the case [God's Love being discriminate] that God Loves only some men and not others, Paul anticipated the objection of our carnal mind against it and wrote immediately after vs 14

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Now how many of us believe that for God to Love only some of humanity and hate others, love them not, simply based upon motives in Himself and not the creature's doing good or evil, that God would be unrighteous[injustice] for doing so ?

Injustice means :

the quality or fact of being unjust; inequity.
violation of the rights of others; unjust or unfair action or treatment.


Those of you who say what Paul anticipated his hearers to say, that if God did this He would be unfair, then you know that Paul Preached a Distinguishing Love of God for some and hating others !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #108 on: December 06, 2021, 04:19:01 PM »
Hi  brightfame52

You Have made your point several times over that there is a chosen people of God from the foundation of the world is not in dispute and is very clear from scripture as the opening verses of your post proves they are speaking of Israel Gods chosen people to whom Christ came but they rejected him so that Gods offer of salvation was thrown open to everyone who hears the gospel and repents.
That God chose Jacob over Esau is God choosing the young son over the elder as we see all through scripture ending in Christ the younger son of God being chosen over the elder son of God Israel the older son kills the younger son we see this right from the beginning when Cain kills able.


Luk 14:22  And the servant said, ?Sir, what you commanded has been done, and still there is room.?
Luk 14:23  And the master said to the servant, ?Go out to the highways and hedges and compel people to come in, that my house may be filled.
Luk 14:24  For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.??       


Everyone is invited

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #109 on: December 07, 2021, 02:35:20 PM »
Jer 31:3

3The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Jn 17:23-24

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

And if God Loved them as He Loved Christ before the foundation of the world, then He Loved His Church in Christ before the foundation of the world !

Now how could God have Loved all men without exception, being that the only Love revealed is an everlasting Love Jer 31:3 even as His Mercy is from everlasting to everlasting, not upon all without exception, but upon them that fear Him per Ps 103:17

17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Now, do all men without exception fear God ? NO.

And as His Mercy is from everlasting to everlasting, so also to them He Loved. Now if this be True, those of you who believe in the everlasting punishment of the wicked which scripture teaches Matt 25:41


41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

And those Christ said this to Matt 23:32-33

32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

You must conclude that God Loved them from Everlasting to Everlasting, and so He will be Loving them while they are cursed in the everlasting confines of everlasting fire ! How absurd !

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #110 on: December 07, 2021, 03:53:13 PM »
Hi Brightfame52
Another post confirming that there is an elect group Chosen by God to which I agree and they are the Bride of Christ but there is a much larger group that are not chosen by God but have chosen to love God and these also will be saved for a very specific purpose which is.

Gen_1:26  Then God said, ?Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.?   

man in the image of God is Jesus Christ at his second coming and all those who are his a multitude of people this is Man ( mankind )in the image of God the end of this creation and they have been created to look after the planet at the present man is destroying it.

If you are right and only the elect will be saved then there wont be enough people to look after the planet.

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Re: The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !
« Reply #111 on: December 08, 2021, 09:56:29 AM »
Hi Brightfame52
Came across this verse this morning

     He loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of the steadfast love of the Lord.
Psalm 33:5 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/psa.33.5.ESV       


So God loves the earth and I presume everything in it

Love and Peace
Dave
https://bible.com/bible/59/psa.33.5.ESV

 

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