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Offline brightfame52

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Romans 9:13


13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.


How can it be sincerely taught that scripture teaches that God loves all men without exception, when it specifically says of Esau, God Hated ?

And I got news for you, He did not only hate Esau, but all the workers of iniquity. Ps 5:5


5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

And they that work iniquity shall soon hear these words Matt 7:23


23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Yes, these and those in Ps 5:5 are the very same !



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It is taught because there are two levals to Gods love.
There is the general/providential love that ensures that summer and winter, spring time and harvest will never cease. This love gives life to all men.

Then there is the particular love for those who are his.

John3:16 God so Loved the World. that is a universal love but it changes in verse 18 to a particular love, those who have believed have eternal life, while those who do not believe are condemned already.
 

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It is taught because there are two levals to Gods love.
There is the general/providential love that ensures that summer and winter, spring time and harvest will never cease. This love gives life to all men.

Then there is the particular love for those who are his.

John3:16 God so Loved the World. that is a universal love but it changes in verse 18 to a particular love, those who have believed have eternal life, while those who do not believe are condemned already.

God has only One Love, and its particular in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


In the original " the love of God" has the definite article, thats Gods only love, so if a person or persons werent in Christ, God doesnt love them. And Gods General providential care for His creatures, is not His Love.

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Hi Brightfame52
I think when God says

    13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated         

We should view this As God choosing the younger brother over the elder we see this all through scripture starting with Cain and Able  and ending with Christ and Israel the older brother kills the younger brother.

Then we have a world of sinners and we know that God hates sin and those that commit sin are enemies of God so how did God deal with the problem

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life     

Here we see how much God loved his enemies he offers them forgiveness through the blood of his beloved son Jesus Christ yes he will kill the sinner but it will be through baptism.
So God offers us forgiveness but we have to choose it through loving God loving our neighbours and loving our enemies.
Not forgetting repentance

Love and peace
Dave

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Jn 3:16 tells us of God's Love for the world, but never specifically states that God loved all mankind as individuals without exception, that has been read into the text by those who care little about the Truth of God.

And such a verse as Jn 3:16

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Must and should be explained by other verses of scripture that speaks on the same subject as God's Love of People.

First lets look at at an OT scripture that speaks to God's Love to a People Deut 7:6-8

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

We find here something extremely important about an immutable God and His Love. That God's Love is set upon a people He chooses look at Deut 7:7

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Notice too that His Love is set upon the fewest of all people.. This should be a big eye opener for us, God Loves not the masses of mankind, for those He Loves are the few of mankind.

Remember Jesus stated about finding the road that leads to life that few find it Matt 7:13-14

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Those few, are and will be those God Loved.. So God so loved the world, means He loved a few , chosen ones in the world, His own special ones.

Jn 13:1

1Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

The jews would have known from Deut 7 that God's Love was exclusive for only some, but what they did not know was that some was not limited to them, for God loved some as well of different people groups, outside of their race; but His Love was nevertheless limited to a certain people, but just not to a limited location or race, it was the world at large that this special loved and certain people would be located.

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Hi Brightfame52
I think when God says

    13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated         

We should view this As God choosing the younger brother over the elder we see this all through scripture starting with Cain and Able  and ending with Christ and Israel the older brother kills the younger brother.

Then we have a world of sinners and we know that God hates sin and those that commit sin are enemies of God so how did God deal with the problem

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life     

Here we see how much God loved his enemies he offers them forgiveness through the blood of his beloved son Jesus Christ yes he will kill the sinner but it will be through baptism.
So God offers us forgiveness but we have to choose it through loving God loving our neighbours and loving our enemies.
Not forgetting repentance

Love and peace
Dave

I hear you, but God hates some people, He rejects them, and Loves some, He accepts them inspite of their sins.

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There's a kind of mistrust here...

Here you have people never knowing a fathe figure , sleeping rough as with lazarus...


Here the final Judgement is with God, not with people. not through faith or trust.. on their behalf..


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I hear you, but God hates some people, He rejects them, and Loves some, He accepts them inspite of their sins.

Hi Brightfame52
I'm afraid I will have to disagree God is Love and has proved it by sending his son to pay the price for what our sins deserve.
What God hates is evil and sin and offers us a way out but we have to make that choice God connotmake it for us.
Yes he has chosen certain people all through scripture starting with able all the way through to St Paul but why he has chosen then we don't know take St Paul he was a persecutor of the early Christians he even approved of the stoning of Stephen yet God chose him.
So there is a relatively small group of people chosen by God to do his will and through them many can choose to Love God and their neighbours and there enemies.

You mention people living on the street the reason being not all the world loves it neighbours God has provided enough for everyone but it is not sheared out equally the world can spend untold billions on armaments but don't have enough money to get a cup of clean water to a child in the third world that we have a third world is an absolute disgrace and the root cause is

      1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows         

Love and Peace
Dave


 

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