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Offline melliff

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Jesus as a child
« on: October 09, 2021, 09:11:16 AM »

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Christianity teaches that Jesus has always existed and therefore existed before he was born to the Virgin Mary.  My question is, was the baby Jesus actually a baby, or was the 'adult' Jesus pretending to be a baby?

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Re: Jesus as a child
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2021, 10:24:45 AM »
To be absolutely correct, we believe that the Son of God has always existed - but the human being that we know as Jesus only began to exist when He was conceived inside Mary's womb. "The Word became flesh" (John 1:14) In other words, His "God"-nature has always existed, but His human nature began in the "normal" human way (other than being conceived without a human father).

So yes, He actually was a 'normal' human baby, not just pretending to be one. Just as when He grew up, He actually was a normal human being, not just pretending to be one. (He is God as well, which made Him a bit different from us in some ways!)

It's a difficult thing to get one's head around, but it's one of the paradoxes at the heart of Christianity.
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Re: Jesus as a child
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2021, 02:34:21 PM »
As already said Jesus preexisted and Jesus is the Word of God, who became flesh making His dwelling among us. Known as " Emmanuel, God is with us. " Isaiah 7:14 Starting when He was born in Israel.

Jesus of Nazareth gave up  His own privileges as God, to live among us and to be human like us. For God to be "approachable" born in humble dwellings and as a baby, who gave up His majesty and so we can relate to Him as a fellow human being.

Yet  potentially as the role model and  the grace and the  power of Him working in His followers lives.   The fact that He came in humility really speaks of the nature of God. His selflessness in adjusting to us. That we can come close to God through Jesus, where He made it possible.

Many people are acknowledging something about creation and the origins of life, calling this the Higher power.
Yet  God has done something far better being human like us as well as being God. That gives us something beneficial and more than the Higher power.

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Re: Jesus as a child
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2021, 05:24:14 PM »
These answers seem to conflict.  Deborah says that the 'human' Jesus was also God (which seems reasonable as he was able to perform miracles) but Primrose says that the 'human' Jesus gave up his privilages as God.  If that is true, as what point did he become God again?

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Re: Jesus as a child
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2021, 08:59:34 PM »
Jesus of Calvary didn't stop being God. My post said that Jesus born two thousand years ago was known as "Emmanuel- God is with us."

Jesus is both God and human. God was with them, in human flesh.

Jesus gave up His privileges by coming in humility, washing the disciples feet, serving others and that's why many of the richer more pompous people didn't recognise Jesus as the coming Messiah.

Although Jesus is King of Kings, He came as a servant.

Yet Jesus performed the miracles as you mentioned and fulfilled the Messianic prophecy.


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Re: Jesus as a child
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2021, 07:36:32 AM »
Primrose, thank you for your comments.

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Jesus is both God and human. God was with them, in human flesh

So when Jesus was a baby and a child, although outwardly human, he also had the intellect of the 'adult' Jesus?


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Re: Jesus as a child
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2021, 09:31:03 PM »
Hello Melliff, thank you for your good questions and thoughts.

 I can see where you are coming from. Jesus was born as a baby and must have had a babies mind and child's mind.
 
Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, Hebrews 2:17 Hebrews 4:15-16

 Jesus was like us, and so He can sympathize with us and because God walked in our shoes and like  we experienced, in action.

Jesus developed like we do, and yet was fully God and without sin.

 In fact intellect is a stumbling block to God's wisdom.
 God chose the humble, weak, the despised and the nobodys of the world to understand His wisdom and not the world's wisdom and intellect.

Jesus often said we need to be like babies to enter the Kingdom of God. For example everything is obvious and simple in many ways with God but  human intellect overcomplicates things.

Such as seeing the beauty of creation simply pinpoints there is a Creator. Only intellect will think of other alternatives, such as there was no Creator. That's  like saying buildings built themselves.

 Coming back to this and looking at the bible and seeking. There is much to suggest that Jesus was just like us but obviously was the most special person ever, also being God.

That it goes beyond our comprehension with His wisdom as a baby but it wasn't by intellect. John the Baptist lept through the Holy Spirit , when he was in the womb.That as said we are encouraged to be like small children and babies, not just in innocence but by childlike  faith.

 By accepting God and so that His Holy Spirit impregnates us ( dwells in us) through our heart being cut, by a true genuine  response to God, through Jesus.

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Re: Jesus as a child
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2021, 10:57:57 PM »

These questions can encourage us to look up Jesus as a baby and child, and descriptions in other places.

"And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him." Luke 2:40

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