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Re: Has the Church Replaced Israel ?
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2021, 11:42:21 AM »
Hi
Thought I'd this opportunity to state plainly who the church the bride of christ are.
Its based on how Israel was created Aaron the head priest and the tribe of Levi this is a mirror image of the church of Christ its function to teach and instruct the other 11 tribes in the laws and the ways of God.
Christ and his church have the same function the church being all the elect those chosen by God and they have the same function to teach  and instruct the world in the laws of Love.
The biggest part of this work will be carried out in the millennium the last day of this creation and the Farthers sabbath rest.

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Re: Has the Church Replaced Israel ?
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2021, 01:27:24 PM »
There's a connection of the OT Church of Christ and the NT Church of Christ seen in Rev 12 pt 2

Now as Christ is the seed of the women, and the saints are as well, then Christ and the saints are One, both the seed of the women. This is to say Christ and His Body the Church are One. Heb 2:11

11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Now this Oneness stretches back unto the OT into the NT according to the symbolism of the women in Rev 12

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Re: Has the Church Replaced Israel ?
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2021, 03:16:24 PM »
Folks the Church being a Mystery in the OT and the Church not existing in the OT are not the same. No one has denied the Mystery of the Church in the OT, but to say it didnt exist in the OT is folly, its like saying Christ didnt exist in the OT.

Just like Christ was manifested, so was the Church. John wrote that Christ was manifested here 1 Jn 3:8

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Does that mean the Son of God didnt exist prior to His being manifested ? The word here for manifested is the greek word phanero?:

I make clear (visible, manifest), make known

properly, illumine, make manifest (visible); (figuratively) make plain, in open view; to become apparent ("graspable").

to become known, to be plainly recognized, thoroughly understood:

Its the same word in Col 1:26 regarding the Church Col 1:26

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Because something was hid doesnt mean it didnt exist. Even so, the NT Saints had it revealed to them that the Church existed in the OT. Rev 12 is a NT revelation.

And finally, the main element of the Mystery was that Gentiles are part of the special set apart called people of God Eph 3:4-6

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)


5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The Church, or the Called out Family of God was always known as the Seed of Abraham even in the OT. Its saying the Seed of Abraham didnt exist if we say the Church didnt exist in the OT, for they're one and the same, hence Paul writes Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Re: Has the Church Replaced Israel ?
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2021, 03:49:21 PM »
Christ has always been the Head of His Body the Church, since the beginning of the World. This is seen here in Col 1:15-18

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:


16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


17And he[Christ the Head] is before all things, and by him all things consist.


18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Who is the beginning ! Remember in Revelation Jesus Christ said of Himself ?

Rev 1:7-8


7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


Rev 21:5-7

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Rev 22:13

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

As Hebrews presents Christ Heb 13:8

8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

If Jesus Christ is the Head of His Body the Church today, Hes always been. If not, then Hes not the same, He changed !

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Re: Has the Church Replaced Israel ?
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2021, 02:26:50 PM »
An OT scripture that speaks of Christ's Church, Members of His Body, which He takes Delight in, are those He made in His Image and Likeness, the ones to be conformed to His Image:

Prov. 8:31
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

Rom. 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

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Re: Has the Church Replaced Israel ?
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2021, 09:10:59 AM »
I dont think it can be better Illustrated from scripture that Spiritual Israel existed in the OT and continued into the NT with the addition of Gentiles. Here in Romans 11. Here we see Spiritual Israel as the Olive Tree and natural jews being broken off and Gentiles being added/grafted into the Olive Tree which represents Spiritual Israel Rom 11:17

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

See the Saved Gentiles were grafted in among the saved jews in Christ which constitutes the Good Olive Tree, Israel. So those saved jews and the grafted in saved Gentiles make Saved Israel, the One Body of Christ. One Olive Tree, One Israel, One Body as Per Eph 3:6

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body/or Olive Tree, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

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Re: Has the Church Replaced Israel ?
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2021, 09:58:40 AM »
Prophecies made to OT Israel are fulfilled in the Church the Body of Christ. For instance Lev 26:11-12

11 And I set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.


12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

Fulfilled with the Church, the Body of Christ comprised of believing gentiles and jews 2 Cor 6:16

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

For this reason the believer shouldn't be unequally yoked with unbelievers 2 Cor 6:14-15


14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?


15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

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Re: Has the Church Replaced Israel ?
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2021, 09:38:31 AM »
And Adam the Son of God Lk 3:38

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

I've believed for a great while now that in the beginning, before the fall of man in Adam, the World in Adam was the Church, the Lords body in its natural formation, for Paul writing to the Church at Corinth writes" And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly."


This earthy is also the natural 1 Cor 15:46

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

So in the beginning of time, Adam was the federal head of the natural lives of the Church, Gods Elect,

however Jesus Christ , the God Man Mediator 1 Tim 2:5 in Heaven was the Head of Adam. Now one scripture more that I believe confirms this sacred notion that the world in Adam was Christ's Church which He was Head Col 1:15-18

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,

whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

The beginning was Comprised of Christ and His Church, which He was Head, in Adam, who was also a type or figure of Him [Christ] who was to come, the seed of the Women Rom 5:14

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

 

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