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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2021, 05:17:09 PM »
I thought the Father of Christ was in heaven? And I wasn't aware that the risen Christ and the resurrected church would become one in flesh as:

1Co 15:50 "I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."

You seem to be opposing God's word again.

Hi eik
Your right Christs father is in heaven but on earth our Lord was the son of man so which man was he the son of not Joseph so in the flesh who's son was he I say Israel Israel was created as man in the image of God in the flesh and Christ was his son he came out of Israel.
and Yes flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God but we will not be flesh and Blood when the time comes.

1Co_15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.     

we will all be changed into spiritual beings then we can enter the Kingdom not only that but

Gal_3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.     

so we are all equal in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2021, 06:16:40 AM »
Hi eik
Your right Christs father is in heaven but on earth our Lord was the son of man so which man was he the son of not Joseph so in the flesh who's son was he I say Israel Israel was created as man in the image of God in the flesh and Christ was his son he came out of Israel.
Israel may be figuratively denoted as Christ's mother (Rev 12:1) but not his father.

and Yes flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God but we will not be flesh and Blood when the time comes.
I thought you said the millennium kingdom of God occurred on this earth?

1Co_15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.     

we will all be changed into spiritual beings then we can enter the Kingdom not only that but

Gal_3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.     

so we are all equal in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Notwhere does the notion of "equality" make an appearance in the bible, except in the commonality of the condition, the offer of salvation, and the means whereby salvation is effected, and in the essence of salvation itself. The spiritual commonality of the human condition and its remedy doesn't infer equality in political relations, or in anything, and certainly doesn't abrogate the law of Moses (Mat 5:18). The idea that men and women have become "equal" in a political or worldly sense cannot be derived from scripture. 1Ti 2:12. "Oneness" is of spiritual relevance, but even in oneness is not found the idea of equality, for Christ talked about whom would be least and greatest in the kingdom of heaven Matt 5:19.

Anyway you seem to have done a good job of repudiating your own thesis that Christ and the church will become one in flesh. The marital relation is just a figurative way of expressing the spiritual relation.

Still, your overall pre-millennial-return-of-Christ and heaven-on-earth thesis just becomes more and more confused, entangled in its own web of inordinate and irreconcilable complexity, because it is essentially man made and not derived from scripture.

As for man in the image of God, it is what all Christians are required to attain in this life through the gospel of Christ 2Co 4:4, Eph 4:24, Col 3:10, 1Co 15:53, 2Pe 1:4. Putting "the image of God" off to a future event is a grevious heresy, which is one massive problem for your millennium thesis.

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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2021, 01:12:55 PM »
Hi eik
You said.
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     Israel may be figuratively denoted as Christ's mother (Rev 12:1) but not his father     

Israel is man in the image of God in the flesh in the image of God means man and woman united as one so Israel is Christ's Father and mother in the flesh that is why he is said to be the son of man the man being Israel.

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     I thought you said the millennium kingdom of God occurred on this earth     

It dose at the beginning the dead are resurrected and those believers who are alive at his coming will be changed and the millennium will begin with all those who are the spiritual body of Christ.
When Christ and his body are united as one then we will have man in the image of God the answer to strobe original question.

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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2021, 04:09:26 PM »
Hi eik
You said.
Israel is man in the image of God in the flesh in the image of God means man and woman united as one so Israel is Christ's Father and mother in the flesh that is why he is said to be the son of man the man being Israel.
The bible says that Israel (the figurative woman - the bride) is figuratively the mother of Christ (Rev 12). For one so pedantic about the millennium I am surprised you don't stick with Rev 12.

Christ's father in the flesh was the Holy Spirit biologically, I think you'll find, or Joseph under the law of Moses, Mat 1:16, Mat 1:18.


It dose at the beginning the dead are resurrected and those believers who are alive at his coming will be changed and the millennium will begin with all those who are the spiritual body of Christ.
When Christ and his body are united as one then we will have man in the image of God the answer to strobe original question.
Regretably for your theory, man was made in the image of God back in Gen 1:27, and Christians are called to put back on the nature of Christ (i.e. image of God) in this life. If you fail to accomplish it in this life, there won't be any uniting with Christ in the next.

Leaving putting on the image of God to a subsequent reincarnation in a major heresy. Elevating the concept of something as mundane as the likeness of Christ into something unattainable in this life is also a major heresy. The answer to the original question then is that your salvation depends on your striving to be in the image of God by imitating Christ.

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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2021, 11:45:15 AM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply  Israel  is man created in the image of God both male and female and out of Israel came Christ the son of man the man being Israel he is also the seed of Abraham so the creation of man in the image of God goes way back.

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     Regretably for your theory, man was made in the image of God back in Gen 1:27, and Christians are called to put back on the nature of Christ (i.e. image of God) in this life. If you fail to accomplish it in this life, there won't be any uniting with Christ in the next     

I have never said anything different but that man Adam was destroyed in the flood and God began a new creation of man in his image first comes the man in the flesh The nation of Israel which did not meat Gods requirements so God discarded Israel for a time and began a new creation  in Christ.

     Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.  The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
2 Corinthians 5:17 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2co.5.17.ESV     


The old creation of man in the image of God was Israel the Adam before the flood died in the flood so God began a new creation from after the flood to the present day the only thing God needed to create was man ( mankind ) in his image this man has to be a spiritual man because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
One human man is not in the image of God man in the image of God is as Christ will be at his second coming and is joined to his body his bride and they become one.

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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2021, 01:39:51 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply  Israel  is man created in the image of God both male and female and out of Israel came Christ the son of man the man being Israel he is also the seed of Abraham so the creation of man in the image of God goes way back.

I have never said anything different but that man Adam was destroyed in the flood and God began a new creation of man in his image first comes the man in the flesh The nation of Israel which did not meat Gods requirements so God discarded Israel for a time and began a new creation  in Christ.
Your idea of God creating, discarding, and re-creating is not what God or his apostles say about the way that God works.   Rom 11:29 "For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." Even where there is apostasy, and God is obligated to destroy, he will continue to build on his earlier foundation. For God always leaves a remnant upon which he continues to build. Noah was a remnant, as was Abraham, as also the 7000 who didn't bend their knee to ba'al.

So the church was built on Israel, and Israel was built on Adam, and in every epoch there have been men who have lived up to their calling of becoming in God's spiritual image as well as his temporal / secular image.

     Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.  The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
2 Corinthians 5:17 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2co.5.17.ESV     


The old creation of man in the image of God was Israel the Adam before the flood died in the flood so God began a new creation from after the flood to the present day the only thing God needed to create was man ( mankind ) in his image this man has to be a spiritual man because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
One human man is not in the image of God man in the image of God is as Christ will be at his second coming and is joined to his body his bride and they become one.
Again, a version of theology that simply doesn't exist in the bible, as it ignores what the appostles say and what scripture teaches: e.g. 1 Cor 11:7.

All you're doing is spouting out your own propaganda without any attempt at substantiation, but derogating from the bible at the same time by saying that the individual man is not in the image of God. That would be enough I think to get you into serious trouble with the othodox churches, excluding the Quakers, the Unitarian universalists, and the "believe-what-you-want" brigade, and those churches that simply want your money. Would you like to address 1 Cor 11:7 please from a grammatical and linguistic aspect.
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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2021, 06:37:28 AM »
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Again, a version of theology that simply doesn't exist in the bible, as it ignores what the appostles say and what scripture teaches: e.g. 1 Cor 11:7.
But, as I have already pointed out, Genesis 1:27 appears to say that men and women are in the image of God, whereas Paul appears to be saying that only men are. Can you explain this apparent discrepancy?
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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2021, 09:39:24 AM »
But, as I have already pointed out, Genesis 1:27 appears to say that men and women are in the image of God, whereas Paul appears to be saying that only men are. Can you explain this apparent discrepancy?
Women are an image of an image of God says Paul. An image of an image is I guess, still an image nonetheless. Gen 1:27 only denotes the male definitively as a the image of God, the female by derivation from the male, which is what Paul is saying. It's a question then of the spiritual order, which is what 1 Cor 11:7 reflects, although not everyone accepts the order in 1 Cor 11:7, and especially those who would refuse to acknowledge the Gen 1:27 deference placing the male as the first in order. Obviously the communists and the politicians reject this theology.

 

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