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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2021, 01:40:24 PM »
Hi Strobe
Sorry for that unnecessary diversion to get back to your original question what dose the scriptures say.

     Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth       

It seams to me that God is speaking in the plural in our image our likeness and let them so it seams to me that the our image would indicate more than one so the word man should be read as mankind and this will be achieved in Christ.
Then it goes on to say they will be created to look after Gods creation at the present time we are destroying Gods creation not looking after it.
It also seams unreasonable to think that one man and one woman could possibly look after this wonderful planet God has created for us.

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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2021, 07:23:03 PM »
Hi Strobe
Sorry for that unnecessary diversion to get back to your original question what dose the scriptures say.

     Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth       

It seams to me that God is speaking in the plural in our image our likeness and let them so it seams to me that the our image would indicate more than one so the word man should be read as mankind and this will be achieved in Christ.
As the apostle said:

Rom 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned?"

So if the apostles believed that Adam was "one man" made in the image of God then whom are you to disagree?

And as I have already pointed out, each man individually is made in the image of God

1 Cor 11:7"A man ought not to cover his head,[fn] since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man."

So you overturn the apostles' teaching for the sake of an imaginative rendition of an Englsh translation of the Hebrew, which you do not understand and whose grammar you know not. Do you even grasp that "image" is singular, and what is its significance, and can you tell me why "our" is used in the verse anyway: Gen 1:16 "Let Us make man in Our image,"

"Image" in the Hebrew can also mean a "shadow" so is not exactly the same word as "eikōn" or "charaktēr" in the Greek used to denote the "image of God" with reference to the church or the Son, where the moral likeness of God is also implied, whereas in the OT, there is no precise reference to moral likeness.

I have no problem in seeing Adam the man as the shadow of God.

Then it goes on to say they will be created to look after Gods creation at the present time we are destroying Gods creation not looking after it.
It also seams unreasonable to think that one man and one woman could possibly look after this wonderful planet God has created for us.
"We"? The church of God is not to be confounded with the pagan world. If you limit the "we" to the church, the small numbers that make up the true church are a drop in the ocean of humanity.

 Also I reject the contention that "we are destroying God's creation." Which ever way you look at it, the earth will wear out due to the sheer number of people on the earth (billions and billions). If you look into this, you'll see that it is not people indigneous to Europe that are over-populating the world. However I could agree that Europeans and Americans are facilitating overpopulation by others by allowing immigration to Europe etc.

Isa 51:6 "Lift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath; the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies. But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail."

However one day the number of people will outstrip the earth's resources. The planet wasn't built for a permanent exponential population increase of any species, humans included. One day humans will have their comeuppance, and when it happens most will certainly be pagans by then.

So with reference to your observations, Gen shows that it was the people of God who were appointed to rule the planet, where Adam was the progenitor. Through Adam mankind was to come to the knowledge of God. But Adam sinned, and so the spread of the knowledge of God was frustrated. However if you look into it, Sumer, the original seat of secular power, was governed to an extent by Adam's descendants, but sin led to Babel and their spread over all the earth, and the spread of sin over the earth.

Thus the verse I quoted above:  Rom 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned."

So now we have a different plan of salvation, where salvation is not of and to the earth, or of the natural man in his natural state to another natural state, but to heaven alone, which has capacity enough for all the saved.



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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2021, 05:45:52 AM »
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So if the apostles believed that Adam was "one man" made in the image of God then whom are you to disagree?

Genesis would appear to disagree:
 So God created man in his own image
 in the image of God he created him;
 male and female he created THEM.

So I think Paul must have meant something else too as I don't think he would make a mistake like that.
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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2021, 07:15:14 AM »
Genesis would appear to disagree:
 So God created man in his own image
 in the image of God he created him;
 male and female he created THEM.

So I think Paul must have meant something else too as I don't think he would make a mistake like that.
The mistake is with the communists who insist Adam means "mankind" where male and female are of equal rank in the field of science and politics. However in the theological sphere, Adam is male, and alone is said to be in the image of God expressly: the female only so by her derivation from the male.

The communist take is a superimposition of a political mantra upon a theological mantra. It is rather common these days in the theological sphere, but is a heresy.

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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2021, 09:36:04 AM »
Wo-man coming from man via a rib, from a man. 

God~>Man~>Wo-man.

Just as a probably irrelevant side question/point i know nothing about technically.

Does 'Wo' on its' own mean anything?

My mind just wandered to thinking how in effect wo-man came into being from a part of man aka Adam. 

So s-he became.  She from he.

Since childbirth came into play, future beings come into being via the wo-mb.

Possibly coincidence, just i never noticed that coincidence before.
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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2021, 10:51:00 AM »
Hi
So what dose the scriptures have to say.

    21  And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

 22  And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. note

 23  And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. note note

 24  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

 25  And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed     


Except for the word rib this is a very good description of the crucifixion the woman the church created from the water and the blood.

Verse 24 the man Christ will leave his Father and mother which is Israel and be joined to his bride the church and take note they shall become one flesh so the man Christ is joined to the woman the church and they become one and this is man in the image of God.

I think nakedness is a reference to innocence they did not need animal skins to cover their sinful bodies.

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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2021, 01:23:55 PM »
Wo-man coming from man via a rib, from a man. 
Check out the article below. Apparently the Hebrew word translated "rib" is often translated elsewhere as "side."
http://www.jasher.com/Insights%20page/Adamsrib.htm

God~>Man~>Wo-man.

Just as a probably irrelevant side question/point i know nothing about technically.

Does 'Wo' on its' own mean anything?
According to the etymological dictionaries,  wimman, wiman (plural wimmen), alteration of wifman (plural wifmen) "woman, female servant" (8c.), a compound of wif "woman" (see wife) + man "human being" (in Old English used in reference to both sexes; see man (n.)). So "wo" comes from "wif."
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=woman

My mind just wandered to thinking how in effect wo-man came into being from a part of man aka Adam. 

So s-he became.  She from he.

Since childbirth came into play, future beings come into being via the wo-mb.

Possibly coincidence, just i never noticed that coincidence before.
Gen 2 could just be God taking the woman companion by Adam's side and converting her into a "wife," a theological term for the partners being now deemed one in flesh, which concept didn't exist amongst homo-sapiens before Adam, as well as the woman being now a spiritual companion for Adam.
http://www.jasher.com/Insights%20page/Adamsrib.htm
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=woman

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Re: Does the bible really say that we are in God's image?
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2021, 01:27:50 PM »
Verse 24 the man Christ will leave his Father and mother which is Israel and be joined to his bride the church and take note they shall become one flesh so the man Christ is joined to the woman the church and they become one and this is man in the image of God.
I thought the Father of Christ was in heaven? And I wasn't aware that the risen Christ and the resurrected church would become one in flesh as:

1Co 15:50 "I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."

You seem to be opposing God's word again.

 

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