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Re: Genesis 3:20 The mother of all living
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2021, 05:33:47 PM »

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To me Gen 3:20 is not related to the fall, but to the matter that Adam was the first man in the image of God, i.e. who could converse spiritually with God. Eve was to be the progenitor of a race of spiritual men in the type of Adam. The Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon shows that Eve's name is derived from a root word ḥāva meaning "to live, to breath out, to declare, to make known." That is, God himself would be revealed in and by Eve's descendants.

So this allows for other homosapiens to have been in existence. I think it is a mistake to see Gen 2 as about the scientific evolution of the human race, although it is historical in the sense that Adam was a potentate on earth in the region of Eden (an actual place between the Mediterranean and Caspian Sea), and not just some aboriginal spearman in a wilderness.
Hmmm. I don't quite agree there as I don't see how Adam could have been created in the image of God without having the knowledge of good and evil which surely must be a requirement.
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Re: Genesis 3:20 The mother of all living
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2021, 05:59:33 PM »
More on being in the image of God!
To my knowledge, there are only three places in the bible that refer to this. Genesis 1:26 where God states His intention to make man in His image. Then Genesis 1:27 which is poetic verse and I think it refers to a prophecy of the outcome of the creation week. The third and final time is after Noah's flood in Genesis 9:6 where the same poetic form is used.
So my understanding is that man was not made in the image of God, we are being made into His image, and that will not be complete until we are given the fruit of the tree of life when creation is finally completed.
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Re: Genesis 3:20 The mother of all living
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2021, 06:11:51 PM »
Hi strobe
Looking at the big picture and the last Adam Jesus Christ his Eve the church is the mother of all those who will inherit eternal life so is God trying to tell us something in Genesis.

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Re: Genesis 3:20 The mother of all living
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2021, 06:58:06 PM »
Hmmm. I don't quite agree there as I don't see how Adam could have been created in the image of God without having the knowledge of good and evil which surely must be a requirement.
It's what the bible says. If you impute Adam's sin to God's creation, then God is the author of sin, whereas the sin was Adam's.

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

The initial image of God was that of authority. Just as God had authority over creation, so too was man (or rather "Adam" because the context is Adam not other homosapiens not yet in communication with God) given authority over the creation. This denotes the primary usage of image or likeness. Man was made responsible to God. Only later did man learn disobedience to God and evil.

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Re: Genesis 3:20 The mother of all living
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2021, 07:36:37 PM »
It's what the bible says. If you impute Adam's sin to God's creation, then God is the author of sin, whereas the sin was Adam's.

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

The initial image of God was that of authority. Just as God had authority over creation, so too was man (or rather "Adam" because the context is Adam not other homosapiens not yet in communication with God) given authority over the creation. This denotes the primary usage of image or likeness. Man was made responsible to God. Only later did man learn disobedience to God and evil.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things  Isa. 45:7
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Re: Genesis 3:20 The mother of all living
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2021, 01:30:20 AM »
The initial image of God was that of authority. Just as God had authority over creation, so too was man (or rather "Adam" because the context is Adam not other homosapiens not yet in communication with God) given authority over the creation. This denotes the primary usage of image or likeness. Man was made responsible to God. Only later did man learn disobedience to God and evil.

I am working on the theory that, far from being taken by surprise, the fall was required by God of Adam and Eve.
They were created innocent and became the parents of all mankind by eating the forbidden fruit, thus paving the way for Jesus' sacrifice to be imparted to all. Any suffering that we must go through during the birth pangs will become all worthwhile when we are fully formed and in the image of God which will mean we take up our right to be children of God!
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Re: Genesis 3:20 The mother of all living
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2021, 04:51:37 AM »
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things  Isa. 45:7
The word "evil" in Is. 45:7 is better denoted as the consequences of evil acts: it literally means "darkness."

And the Hebrew word for "create"  Is. 45:7 is equally well translated as bring about, appoint or ordain.

So I can't see that Isa. 45:7 is about God causing sin. Rather he allows or appoints those destined for "common use" to become his instruments for evil or darkness (depending on your point of view) by their own deeds which they have willed.

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Re: Genesis 3:20 The mother of all living
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2021, 04:55:38 AM »
I am working on the theory that, far from being taken by surprise, the fall was required by God of Adam and Eve.
They were created innocent and became the parents of all mankind by eating the forbidden fruit, thus paving the way for Jesus' sacrifice to be imparted to all. Any suffering that we must go through during the birth pangs will become all worthwhile when we are fully formed and in the image of God which will mean we take up our right to be children of God!
If the fall was "required" by God of Adam and Eve, it was because it was appointed by God to happen, and what is ordained is required to come about. Yet as to the sin itself, the culpability was that of Adam and Eve.

I think we can rule out any element of surprise, which is anyway foreign to the Christian conception of God.

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